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#611 – The Expat Files: Latin America, Drunk Driving, and Immigration Policies

Show #611 · November 13, 2016

Johnny Mueller explores cultural differences, legal challenges, and expat life in Latin America

Episode Summary

In this episode of The Expat Files, Johnny Mueller explores a variety of topics related to life in Latin America, including cultural differences, legal challenges, and the experiences of expats. He begins by reflecting on his love for the region and the mix of experiences one can have there. The discussion then shifts to the Cubs winning the World Series, which leads to a conversation about his own lack of interest in sports and the cultural differences in attitudes toward drinking and driving in Latin America. Johnny shares anecdotes about the legal and social aspects of drunk driving, including the lack of a point system and the informal approach to handling such incidents. He also touches on statistics about drunk driving accidents and the gender dynamics in driving, particularly highlighting the risks associated with male drivers and the underrepresentation of women in certain vehicle types. The segment concludes with Johnny reflecting on the decline of team loyalty in sports and the tendency for people to send him off-topic emails, which he humorously acknowledges as part of the show's charm.

In another segment, Johnny addresses personal questions from listeners about his career and life in Latin America. He reflects on how he ended up in the business and in Latin America, attributing it to luck, fate, and his pushy German mother. He shares stories about his father's sports background and his own childhood, highlighting the contrast between his mother's academic aspirations for him and his brothers' athletic paths. Johnny also recounts a vivid memory of a 1940 exhibition baseball game at Wrigley Field featuring famous comedians and actors, emphasizing the unique and memorable nature of the event.

The podcast segment then discusses the contrast between the immigration policies of Latin American countries and the United States. Johnny highlights how Latin countries have strict regulations to prevent uneducated or criminal individuals from entering, requiring proof of income, legal residency, and adherence to bureaucratic processes. In contrast, he references historical U.S. immigration quotas from the 1930s, which were much stricter, and questions the current U.S. approach to immigration, suggesting it is more lenient and open to illegal immigrants, particularly from Latin America. He also touches on the idea that the U.S. government tracks the financial activities of illegal aliens, and that Latin countries have barriers to prevent the influx of unskilled workers.

The segment also discusses the historical context of U.S. immigration policies, particularly the 1924 Immigration Act, which introduced the public charge clause and other restrictions. It highlights how these policies were influenced by the Great Depression and the economic climate of the time. The segment contrasts these historical policies with current U.S. immigration practices and explores the concerns of expats in Mexico, especially in light of the Trump administration, about potential changes in their legal status and property rights. Johnny provides insights into the challenges faced by expats, including the need for naturalization and passports to protect their property and rights.

Finally, the podcast segment discusses the challenges and realities of living as a gringo (foreigner, typically American) in Mexico. He highlights the common issue of many gringos not fully integrating into Mexican culture, often only speaking basic Spanish and not engaging deeply with the local community. Johnny also addresses the legal aspects of obtaining a passport and maintaining residency for gringos living in Mexico, noting that many fail to take advantage of their rights. He mentions the political tensions between the U.S. and Mexico, particularly in light of Trump's stance on NAFTA, and ends with an invitation for listeners to join his upcoming expat seminar in Central America.

Topics

Cubs winning the World Series, Drunk driving in Latin America, Statistics on drunk driving accidents, Gender dynamics in driving, Team loyalty in sports, Personal life and career, Family background and influences, Early life and childhood, Memorable events and experiences, Immigration policies in Latin America, Historical U.S. immigration quotas, Tracking of illegal aliens' financial activities

Chapters

00:00:00 Opening
00:00:06 Johnny's Personal Connection to Latin America and the Cubs' Victory
00:00:14 Johnny's Welcome and Introduction to the Expat Files
00:00:16 Johnny's Introduction to the Expat Files and Its Focus
00:00:23 The Show's Focus on Living, Working, and Retiring in Latin America
00:00:26 Johnny's Response to Emails and the Cubs' Victory
00:00:33 Johnny's Discussion of the Cubs' Victory and Its Impact on His Audience
00:00:35 Johnny's Reflection on the Cubs' Victory and Its Connection to His Background
00:06:19 How Johnny Ended Up in Latin America and His Career Path
00:12:01 The Memorable 1940 Exhibition Game at Wrigley Field
00:12:13 Introduction to the topic of immigration policies and historical context
00:12:34 Discussion on the challenges of immigration and insurance liability issues
00:13:10 Reflection on the role of past decisions in shaping one's current life path
00:14:05 Mention of Trump's impact on Latin America and the short memory of people there
00:14:57 Explanation of how to track illegal aliens through financial transactions
00:15:57 Discussion on the difficulty of becoming a legal resident in Latin countries
00:17:33 Reference to historical U.S. immigration quotas and their strictness
00:17:57 Historical Context of U.S. Immigration Policies
00:20:11 Impact of the Great Depression on Immigration
00:20:32 Preferences of Latin American Countries for Immigrants
00:21:10 Concerns of Expats in Mexico Under Trump
00:22:53 Legal Protections for Naturalized Citizens
00:23:45 Requirements for Mexican Citizenship
00:24:23 Problem Number One: Cultural Integration Challenges for Gringos in Mexico
00:25:45 Legal Rights and Responsibilities of Gringos in Mexico
00:26:44 U.S.-Mexico Political Tensions and NAFTA

Transcript

Automatically transcribed from the original recording; names and wording may contain errors.

[00:00] South of the border, down Mexico way That's where I fell in love when the stars above came up to play and now I wonder Hello there all you expat wannabes I'm Johnny Mueller and you're listening to the expat files living in Latin America the show that tells you just what it's like to live Work play and or retire down here in Latin America It's a mix of the good the bad the ugly and the great and it's all right here, so let's get started just lately I've been getting a lot of emails from people Congratulating me guess what it's all about the cubbies winning the World Series in Chicago You know took them 108 years to do that right anyway people knowing that I'm from Chicago

[00:46] Automatically assume I'm a Cubs fan I mean you do have your choice the Cubs the White Sox the Bears even so-called traitorous Chicagoans who like the Green Bay Packers or Milwaukee or None of the above and you know this might come as a big disappointment to everyone But I never watched the series and I just faintly heard they were playing Cleveland because I got so many emails on that one Too being that Cleveland is my favorite punching bag, and I'm from Chi town people put two and two together But in this case it doesn't make four sounds like common core math doesn't it by the way over the years I've had radio shows down here in Latin America in English of course and in fact the name of one of my shows was the Chi Town Johnny DUI show since I always had the morning or afternoon drive time slot of course in English

[01:34] DUI stands for driving under the influence and the ads for my show would say Driving under the influence of Johnny of course Latins never got the reference. There's no such thing as DUI down here Well technically there is but you know they don't have a point system So you don't lose points if you're picked up or pulled over for drunk driving Oh, and that's kind of a misnomer to they don't actually pick you up They kind of sit you down and let you sober up until you can drive or until you're conscious enough So they can hit you up with a bribe Then they'll generally help you call a relative or friend to drive for you unless of course you hurt someone other than yourself And they end up in the hospital or worse Then charges will be filed and you'll go down to the police station all that and have to get your lawyer to get you off

[02:20] Another reason to stick with the same lawyer then he becomes your friend and will answer those two in the morning phone calls Maybe as long as you don't make a past out of yourself So that's the story of what could happen to you if you're drinking and driving down here by the way If you live down here long enough, you'll soon realize that Latins like to drink and drive Latin men That is in fact there have been times when I've pulled up to stop signs and looked over to the car next to me Only to see the driver hoisting a beer or a bottle of booze However, I've only seen that kind of thing when the driver has his window down, which is not recommended Normally windows are up and they have extreme tinting down here So you'll never know if the guy next to you is putting one down But I can tell you this on Fridays and Saturday evenings. It's daredevil night

[03:09] You see a lot of guys, you know are drunk because they're weaving in and out of their lane and all over the place In fact, I saw some statistics recently that said 30% of all accidents are caused by drunk drivers in Latin America And that same article said 9 out of 10 accidents are caused by male drivers It's got to be that macho things no other excuse now a third of the drivers here in Latin America are women So those statistics say a hell of a lot and you know Even though every male across the world complains about women drivers down here in Latin America Anyway, they're actually much much less likely to be the cause of an accident Yep, men will complain but again the truth is stranger than fiction by the way in that report It said the vehicles that are most likely to be involved in accidents as a percentage of their presence or numbers on the road are

[03:59] number one by far motorcycles number two buses Number three taxis number four get this cop cars and strangely enough down here in Latin America There are almost no women bus drivers and almost no women Motorcyclists. Well, I take that back. I'd say about one in a hundred Motorcyclists are women and they're usually driving scooters and the same thing goes for taxis and cop cars almost no women drivers Yep, in those cases the facts absolutely fit So in the end if you can't take the booze out of a latin or the testosterone out of a latin male Maybe the best idea for traffic safety would be to have the chicken bus companies recruit women drivers because you know when a bus Crasses down here. It's generally not a little fender bender. It's not unusual to have a few deaths and 30 or 40 people going to the hospital

[04:48] But I digress as usual back to the cubbies now. I'm no fan of organized sports not at all However one-on-one sports like tennis golf racing fine with me because that's true competition you against another person As far as I can see at least since the golden days of baseball and football which pretty much ended back in the 70s Team sports have really just been part of bread and circuses the players have no loyalty to the team They're just bought and paid for like my dad used to say in the old days a guy like Hank Aaron Ernie banks Joe DiMaggio were loyal to their teams and no matter how much another franchise offered them They most often wouldn't take the better deal because of loyalty to their buddies and the team yankees reyankis cubs were cubs

[05:37] Dodgers were Dodgers. It's day with the original team They were drafted into or first made their mark, but these days that concept doesn't exist. It's all about the money I know I know I digress. This is a show about Latin America, right? However, I do get a lot of emails from people who like me digress and go completely off-point like a yawn It's contagious. You know yep. They asked me all kinds of things Unrelated to Latin America lots of love and romance stuff too like I was some kind of Latin and Landers Anna Landres And I think now after over 600 shows in the can I can finally address all those emails I get from people asking me to throw out a few tidbits about my personal life You know how did I end up in this business? How did I end up in Latin America even way before it was?

[06:26] fashionable for gringos to vacation in Costa Rica Well, it all started for me as dumb luck fate and my mother because you know without my pushy German mother I could just as easily have ended up as a very slow waiter in a bad Greek restaurant Did I say a bad Greek restaurant? That's redundant, isn't it least in Chicago it is so I'll give you a little personal stuff here We're three boys in the family. My dad was a 100% sportsman a jock pretty good at it, too He was the first string guard on the Army Navy basketball team and traveled the world playing the Russians and the Koreans and all that During the Cold War that was around 1950 out of the army drafted by an East Coast professional baseball team Played a couple years there in fact. I have his rookie card after he got kicked down to the farm team came back to Chicago

[07:14] Got a real job, but couldn't get baseball out of his system so weeknights He played in fast-pitch bar leagues in Chicago He broke all the Bar League hitting records and still hold some even years after his death because of that He never had to buy a drink an Italian sausage or killed Basa in any bar in Chicago That said when he had his three boys man. They were gonna be sports heroes, too However, my German mother a professor with a master's in PhD She had other ideas and said John. I want one of those kids by the way What a combo huh a sports guy high school dropout in a PhD these days that stuff just doesn't happen She selected me put me in music classes in third grade Enrolled me in what they called the great books club Had to read two classic books a week with written book reports and all and that lasted a couple of years

[08:04] Played for years in a symphony orchestra Pushed on quite easily to rock and roll instruments much to my mother's disdain But you know back then before the word nerd was coined cello players did not attract girls Turns out I was pretty handy and good at mathematics got a full boat engineering scholarship and off I went Thank you mom for that Meanwhile as for my two sports minded brothers one of them was such a good baseball player He got drafted onto a US all-star little league team when he was 12 and traveled the world playing the Japanese And the Koreans etc kind of like a junior version of my dad Then he went on to become state powerlifting champion and my other brother such a good Hockey player and goalie that he was scouted by the National Hockey League in high school

[08:50] They were ready to sign him But he blew out his knee and was washed up by the time he was 20 no NHL for him And now 50 years old a wreck arthritis everywhere on Multiple prescription meds slated for knee replacements. He doesn't want to get and the other brother former baseball guy Lomense and wines every time I talked to him. He says Johnny. I don't get it Why did mom take you and not me why wasn't I the kid that got the music the art and the culture? instead of the sports By the way, he also around 50 years old is on a bunch of meds and has had heartstance already Both have had weight problems one severely obese for a while Lost a hundred and thirty five pounds in six months after he was diagnosed with that heart problem

[09:38] So the one good thing he says he got from sports was discipline They've all got that right if they can put down the pizza get off the couch go to the gym and do something about it You know I started this little off-topic rant by saying a lot of people sent me Congratulatory emails about the cubbies victory now you have to know with the father like mine He dragged us all to his minicub socks bears braves and Green Bay Packer games as he could afford to get tickets for And I remember once I asked my dad what was the best game you ever saw? Here was a guy who'd seen it all and had known many of the famous players, too He said in 1940 when he was just 11 or 12 years old He said he went to a game that he still has dreams about back then

[10:23] He said every year at Wrigley Field they had an exhibition game benefiting Mount Sinai Hospital He said he got some dugout seats for a game. That was called the comedians versus the leading men Now pay attention here and see if any of this clicks the comedians on the team were get this Jack Benny Fred Allen Andy divine Buster Keaton Abaddon Castello and the three stooges Versus the leading men and they were Gary Cooper Tyrone power arrow Flynn Fred Astaire Randolph Scott John Wayne Roy Rogers and Peter Laurie How did my dad remember all those names he didn't have to he bought a scorecard, you know

[11:11] Get your scorecards here can't tell a players without a scorecard Has to be worth a lot of money now, but like my old Superman comic books can't find him anymore You know how that stuff ends up in the attic and then in the trash after some spring cleaning, you know that drill too bad, huh? Anyway, he said there was a capacity crowd at the time 37,500 at Wrigley Field in Chicago August 8th 1940 but that's not all Paulette got her Charlie Chaplin's wife was the captain of the comedians team and Marlene Dietrich the captain of the leading men team and get this The announcer Milton burl and the umpires the Marx Brothers Chico Harpo and groucho Now the highlight of the whole game according to my dad was when Boris Karloff hit a home run

[12:01] Dressed as the Frankenstein monster and because he could only walk like Frankenstein. He had a pinch runner Bella Legosi Dracula himself. I want to wipe your windows Though neither Karloff nor Legosi around the printed scorecard. They were there In the end the leading men team beat the comedians by 5 to 3 now I bet most of you young listeners out there don't know who the hell I'm talking about But you guys and gals over 50 you sure do now imagine I'm trying to put something like that together these days It just would never happen for a million and one reasons not the least of which insurance liability problems But what happened if for example Kim Kardashian was playing second base Meanwhile Katy Perry hits into a double play Nicki Minaj slides into second blows an implant and spikes Kardashian's ass

[12:52] Literally, there'd be hell to pay million-dollar lawsuits and everyone would end up on botched Would you pay to see that but where were we? Oh, yeah, we were talking about me and my past and how I got here My dad didn't say much But I do remember him saying once after he got out of the sports game himself and became a professional armchair quarterback He used to say both success and failure have a thousand fathers I'm sure he didn't make that up, but it's a pretty good old saying isn't it meaning of course everything you did in your life up To now every right turn left turn every door you open everyone you closed led you to exactly where you are today Listening to this show if anywhere along your past lifeline you would have made a left turn instead of a right Overslept instead of underslept made the decision to drive through a yellow light instead of stopping at one or vice versa

[13:40] You wouldn't be listening to this show right now You would have from that moment on split off on a completely different life path. So congratulations to you You've made it this far. You're on the right track You're intelligent able and willing to accept new things because well, you're actively thinking about a plan B well, probably 99 of a hundred Americans are surely in a few short months gonna take it on the chin and Speaking of long shot dark horse winners. How about Trump? He won, which is having vast repercussions down here in Latin America at least for a day or two That's how things go people here have very short memories sound familiar Anyway, the night of elections and the next day every single Latin TV station had men on the street interviews With mostly illegal aliens up in the states getting their gauge on things and they were just shocked

[14:31] Bloodless ashen faced Wondering what happened what's gonna happen next and if Trump's really gonna kick him out and build that wall If he's gonna deport all those illegal aliens up there There really is a very easy and foolproof way to find out who these people are where they live and basically get all their debts Just post an immigration officer at all the Western unions in quick money transfer offices Because in some Latin countries up to a third of their income comes from the United States Illegal aliens mostly working in the states and shipping money back by Western Union and other convenient wire transferring outfits I've been off the vests majority of which located in Latin neighborhoods Hmm, and if you think I'm being harsh here

[15:18] Remember every single bank outside the US has to send to the IRS your bank movements if you happen to have an account there So US Big Brother is intent on tracking all of us who are outside the country Why shouldn't they be tracking the monetary movements of the illegal aliens up there? Just doesn't make sense does it and I know there'll be some wishy washy whiny do-gooders who will say Donna You've got no sympathy. You haven't got a heart, but hear me for a second I devote a lot of time on this show talking about how to get permanent and temporary Residency here in Latin America, and you know you just can't sneak in and live in one of these Latin countries Well, I take that back off the gringo tourist trailer. You can do that practically forever However in order to become a legal resident in the country you have to prove income you have to prove

[16:08] You're a good citizen with police reports You have to hire a lawyer to do that you have to spend some money You have to wait through the bureaucracy and if you come in as a tourist you have to leave the country every 90 days In other words every single that country has put up its own barriers and bureaucratic red tape to prevent the uneducated masses Riff-raff Criminals whatever from coming down and setting up shop in their country in fact if you happen to be in Mexico illegally you've overstayed your visa No Yeah, somehow snuck in and you get picked up by the federales you will not be treated as an honored guest And if a Latin country sees you've been in their country legally when you try to get out you have to pay a fine It's not stiff, but you still have to pay a couple of bucks every day you overstay your visa

[16:53] And if you came in without a visa at all that means sneaking in through a border, and you get picked up You'll go straight to jail, and that'll be just the beginning of your trouble you see where I'm headed here Latin countries only want educated people who can support themselves They specifically state in their residency rules and regs to get permanent residency unless you marry a local You have to have your own source of outside funding to maintain your lifestyle They don't want you to be taking any jobs from the locals So then why is it just the opposite when it comes to Uncle Sam big brother in the first world in fact? Let me read you something from a couple of US government documents Stating how difficult it was to get into the United States as an immigrant just until a few years ago

[17:40] These are from the immigration and quota acts from around 1930 it says here in 1929 the United States had adopted an annual immigration quota ceiling of 153,000 774 per year you get that 153,000 then it says on September 8th 1930 right after the great crash in October of that year when widespread US unemployment and the influx of refugees Prompted President Hoover to resurrect what they call the quote public charge clause it says from then on Counselor officials in the United States were instructed to judge whether an immigration applicant was quote likely to become a

[18:29] Public charge at any time even if long after arriving President Hoover reminded them that they must possess sufficient resources to support themselves for an indefinite period of time without employment at one time It says here an immigrant with one hundred dollars could gain entry into the United States that would be around $3,000 in today's US funny money, and it says under section 7 of the act of 1924 American counselor officials that is embassy personnel also required Immigration applicants to provide police certificates of good conduct from their home countries along with passports birth marriage and health Certificates as well as all available public records from their country of origin

[19:18] People trying to immigrate to the US also encountered yet another hurdle called a contract labor provision which in law Denies admission to those under employment contracts The Immigration Act also excludes persons whose ticket or passage is paid for by another either directly or indirectly After 1930 the immigration law said immigrants who were expected to be self-sufficient Capable of supporting themselves and prepared to pay their own passage without Accepting help from friends then it says after 1930 diligent enforcement of the quota restrictions Sharply curtailed the number of unqualified newcomers the number of immigrants admitted to the US fell from

[20:04] 241 thousand seven hundred in 1930 to ninety seven thousand one hundred thirty nine in thirty one thirty five thousand five 76 in 1932 now those were the depression years when times were tough and the US had an isolationist policy According to experts, you know, the United States is in depression right now And by semester are over 40 million people in the United States illegally at this very moment nearly all of them Latinos, so what's the point? Well, as it turns out Latin American countries want immigrants But they only want this particular refugee profile. They want middle or upper middle class Primarily business oriented first world people they want professionals in white-collar well-educated

[20:52] sitting-dwelling Cosmopolitan generally older or retired first world citizens with an outside income now contrast that with the US immigration policies today Hey, I'm just saying you got third world countries here in Latin America with first world immigrants trickling in but almost all of them Coming in legally, but we were talking about the Trump win, right and how Latin's down here feel about it Well, I can tell you this expats in Mexico are kind of skittish and worried There are even articles in English being posted in expat rags like this one with the title US expats in Mexico fear Retaliation now that Trump is president Paraphrasing it says many of the more than one and a half million people from the United States currently living in Mexico

[21:37] Say they are worried about the future and what might happen to them It says most Americans in Mexico live in towns So saturated with gringos that most of the street signs are in both English and Spanish Like for example the town of hike located in the state of Nuevo Leon It says despite the calm of the life lived by many of the Americans in this little town of less than 10,000 people Most of who are retired some of them fear now that Trump is one Mexico's government might act out against them in some way They're playing the waiting game now In fact many long-term US residents in Mexico are thinking now about requesting a Mexican passport So that the government can't quote

[22:23] Confiscate their houses in the future. Whoa, okay It's me again By the way If you have just permanent or temporary Residency in a foreign country and you have property there registered in your name It is feasible that your new Latin government can change the rules anytime, especially if under economic duress And they could possibly confiscate your property. It's happened before in socialist countries You know like for example that basket case Venezuela However, if you're a naturalized citizen and you have a passport You have all the rights of a regular citizen and they can't do that to you And of course, that's why a lot of gringos have an essay corporation own their property So you own the corporation the corporation owns the property the corporation as you know is like a person it can open bank accounts and own property and such which makes owning property as airtight as

[23:14] Being a national and having a passport and owning property and you know I'm often perplexed as to why so many gringos living in Mexico don't get their naturalization and passport I mean all they have to do is wait five years and have their permanent residency and they can apply for nationalization So why not go the extra step and get the passport if you qualify a second passport offers so many Advantages to a gringo and then I found out by hook and crook some of the reasons why people don't do it It's because according to Mexican law to get that passport You have to have a good and basic knowledge of Spanish and Mexican history And they'll give you a test on it when you apply for citizenship Just the reverse compared to the states where immigrants take an oath in English and have to know some American history

[24:00] However, then I found out the test you take for citizenship in Mexico is a multiple-choice test and the answers are posted on the internet The typical huh, but you know if you're familiar with gringos living in Mexico You know They mostly live amongst other gringos and the vast majority never seemed to get beyond Kitchen Spanish enough to get a few things across to their maids That's problem number one when living amongst gringos Even though I'll often hear gringos in Mexico say Johnny, I don't live on the gringo tourist trail Well, then just take a walk with me to the nearest wall Martin will count those pasty white pale legs and sunburn noses In the junk food aisle in my neck of the woods. I'm talking really off the gringo tourist trail here I can go to any Walmart within an hour's drive and normally not say a single gringo though on occasion

[24:49] I'll see a few kumbaya do-gooders with matching t-shirts and yes I try to be superficially nice to him you ever notice they don't like to make eye contact. That's weird, huh? So anyway, I just don't understand why so many gringos living in Mexico been there for over five years I've got their permanent residency yet somehow most of them are just not tuned in to what's happening up in the states or they'd be Beat down the immigration office doors to get that passport going then just recently I ran into another gringo living in Mexico he says people he knows just don't do it because they go back and forth to the states a lot and As it turns out if you leave Mexico more than two years in the last five years before you apply for your passport Then you'll have to start to clock running again and make sure you're not out of the country for more than two years in the last

[25:40] Five year period and he said you can lose your residency if you're out of the country more than six months a year So basically if you're a permanent resident in Mexico for five years or more you can apply for a passport However, the point is very few gringos with permanent residency Go ahead and do that and really that should be a top priority for gringos now I'd lean off wherever you find big concentrations of gringos in Latin America You'll find almost none of them talking about getting passports and naturalization They're content to be permanent residents Which sort of makes sense in a twisted way because you'll meet Americans down here who are flag waving Republicans and Democrats By the way now that Trump's won in the states Mexico's secretary of foreign relations announced that Mexico has a defensive

[26:30] Strategy of containment and he said that Mexico has already identified actions They'll take should the US violate North American free trade agreements that were signed by previous US Administrations and you know who they are. He also said Mexico will defend bilateral relations established through the NAFTA Treaty Despite Trump's claims that NAFTA was not a legitimate agreement Hmm, we'll soon see how that goes. Like the song says battle lines are being drawn. Nobody's right if everybody's wrong You'll show your age if you know who did that song. Okay, we're nearing the end. Don't forget I have a couple of spots left open for my January 2017 expat insiders seminar being held in and around Guatemala Central America mostly way off the gringo tours trail

[27:21] We'll visit some of my very favorite spots Just go to www.thenewexpect.com click on Johnny's 2017 seminar link and you're there south of the border This is the expat files living in Latin America If you want me to help you out with your own plan B Just schedule a one-on-one consult send me an email the expat files at gmail.com And if you want to learn how to move forward with your own plan B from right up there in the states go to www.expectplanb.com And check out my three videos. See ya nos vemos

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