Episode Summary
In this episode of The Expat Files, Johnny Mueller explores the challenges of living in Latin America, from dealing with uncooperative bank tellers to navigating the region's unique law enforcement landscape. He begins by responding to an email from Marlene, a listener from Minneapolis, who shares her experience with drive-up bank windows in the U.S. and Canada. Marlene notes that tellers often seem disinterested or uncooperative and suggests that the solution is to 'kill them with kindness' by offering small candies or mints. She also mentions that she used to work as a teller and had a positive experience when a customer gave her a dozen cookies. Johnny acknowledges Marlene's idea and then addresses another email from Jack, who jokes about the lack of cameras in Latin America and the potential for more aggressive behavior. Johnny discusses the lack of police presence and enforcement in Latin America, noting that cars and motorcycles often lack license plates or have damaged ones, and that police typically don't pull them over unless they're on the tourist trail. He emphasizes that the police in Latin America are not as overbearing as in the U.S.
Johnny then shifts to the topic of automated bank teller systems in Latin America, emphasizing that the difficulty lies with the system rather than the individuals involved. He highlights the generally poor customer service in the region but notes that the people are polite and pleasant, often going out of their way to be courteous. He references the idea that expats are used to better customer service in the United States, which is one reason why gringos with businesses do well in Latin America. He also touches on the use of Pakistani call center agents for customer service in Latin America, which is a common practice. Johnny explains that gun ownership is legal in Latin America (except in Mexico), and there are legal ways for non-residents to obtain guns through corporate structures or gifts, provided the guns are registered under someone else's name.
In the next segment, Johnny discusses the complexities of legal and cultural interactions between expats and Latin American locals. He humorously suggests that a lawyer could help someone in a remote area by purchasing a shotgun, highlighting the legal and cultural nuances of the region. He also comments on the perception of 'gringos' (Americans) in Latin America, noting that many locals, including lawyers, may not fully understand or believe the American experience due to their own cultural and economic realities. He further elaborates on the idea that Latin Americans who have lived in the U.S. often return to their home countries to live comfortably on social security, a concept he finds puzzling in the context of American retirees.
Johnny then shifts to the topic of expats and assimilation in Latin America, focusing on the contrast between those who live on the 'gringo tourist trail' and those who are more integrated into local culture. He highlights how many expats, especially those from the U.S., tend to settle in areas where Spanish is spoken and where they can assimilate with other gringos rather than with locals. He critiques the lack of awareness among educated Latin Americans about the political and social issues in the U.S., suggesting that many are unaware of the extent of corporate influence, military-industrial complexes, and other systemic issues. He further questions the reliability of government statistics in Latin American countries, using Panama as an example to illustrate how per capita income figures can be misleading due to the inclusion of wealthy individuals and the exclusion of the undercounted working population.
Finally, Johnny discusses the misconceptions about income statistics in Latin America and the reasons why some expats choose to live there. He highlights the disparity between the perceived and actual economic conditions, noting that per capita income numbers are often inflated. He also talks about his experiences interviewing young Latin American women who are curious about why successful expats choose to live in Latin America, despite the common belief that the U.S. is a land of opportunity. Johnny explains that many of these young women are not aware of the challenges facing the U.S. and are influenced by media portrayals of American life. He also touches on the role of alternative media in providing a different perspective on global issues.
Topics
Life in Latin America, Expat experiences, Drive-up bank windows, Cultural differences, Law enforcement in Latin America, Customer service in Latin America, Gun ownership and legal loopholes in Latin America, Legal and cultural interactions between expats and Latin Americans, Perception of 'gringos' in Latin America, Economic and social realities of Latin American expats in the U.S., Expats and assimilation, Cultural integration
Chapters
00:00:00 Opening 00:00:14 Welcome to The Expat Files 00:00:26 Introduction to the Show 00:01:39 The Solution to Dealing with Uncooperative Tellers 00:03:47 Law Enforcement in Latin America 00:05:47 Challenges with Automated Bank Teller Systems 00:06:05 The Politeness of Latin Americans Despite Poor Service 00:08:29 Gun Ownership and Legal Loopholes in Latin America 00:11:40 The Legal and Cultural Nuances of Expatriate Life in Latin America 00:12:58 The Perception of 'Gringos' in Latin America 00:15:55 The Economic Realities of Latin American Expats in the U.S. 00:17:17 The Gringo Tourist Trail and Cultural Assimilation 00:18:29 Why Gringos End Up on the Gringo Tourist Trail 00:19:43 Awareness Among Educated Latin Americans 00:22:12 The Misleading Nature of Government Statistics 00:22:59 Inflated Income Statistics in Latin America 00:23:06 The Misleading Nature of Per Capita Income Numbers 00:23:10 The Importance of Context in Economic Data 00:23:16 The Limitations of Government Statistics 00:23:22 Interviewing Young Latin American Women 00:23:27 Why Successful Expats Choose to Live in Latin America 00:23:30 The Curiosity of Young Latin American Women 00:23:35 The Role of Alternative Media
Transcript
Automatically transcribed from the original recording; names and wording may contain errors.
[00:00] South of the border down Mexico way That's where I fell in love when the stars above came out to play and now as I wonder Hello there all you expat wannabes. I'm Johnny Mueller and you're listening to the expat files living in Latin America The show that tells you just what it's like to live work play and or retire down here in Latin America It's a mix of the good the bad the ugly and the great and it's all right here. So let's get started Okay, here's an email from Marlene. She says dear Johnny I couldn't help but notice when you told that story the other week About all the trouble people seem to be having when driving up to auto banks called autobankos in Latin America
[00:47] And I have to report that here in Minneapolis I've had on occasion trouble at the drive-up window, too That would be and then she puts in quotes first-world American drive-up banks Not because the tellers are unresponsive or don't seem to know what they're doing It's just that they don't seem to like their jobs and I can tell you from first-hand experience Often they're just having a bad day I would know because I used to be one of them so I know some of them can be rude Discourteous downright snippy and the solution well You can just put up with it and try to get out as fast as you can or try to be one of the first ones in The morning when the tellers are fresh and not actively hating their jobs yet And of course some customers who've been in bad traffic or whatever are in a bad mood themselves when they get there
[01:34] So they do on occasion get snippy right back, which doesn't help things at all But here's what I think is the universal solution and believe me, it'll work in any country I've tried it in the States Canada even in Mexico the solution kill them with kindness now hear me out You know that when you go to certain establishments and restaurants and such They give you a couple of mints or tiny candy bonbons when you leave, right? Well, I collect those in my car in the ashtray that never gets used And when I pull up to a drive-up bank window I drop a couple of those in the little tube as I shove in my passbook and ID etc And let me tell you Johnny you wouldn't believe how nice and quick and responsive they are to me after I do that
[02:19] You got to try some time in Minnesota here It works wonders and you know, it's no skin off your nose at all because what you're doing is you're just Recycling what are really stale cheap throw away candy bits and mints stuff that just collects and gets old and moldy It's stuff that I'll never eat. So why not give it a try? It works You're wondering of course how I came up with that. Oh so simple magic solution Well when I was an autobank teller I once had a client pack in about a dozen famous Amos cookies into the tube and I gave them out to all the other Irritated tellers in our department and it was a day I'll never forget because everyone was happy for it must have been at least a half an hour Love your show Johnny and keep sticking it to the bad guys
[03:04] Minnesota Marlene Now there's a great idea wish I'd have thought of that kill them with kindness, huh or just kill them and skip the kindness Thanks for that, Minnesota But you gotta know I've been getting emails of another kind from certain people who also had some testy times at those Autobank drive-up tube stations in the states. In fact one guy who signs his email no last name Jack He says if it wasn't for all the cameras in the states, he'd definitely make a real deposit dead skunk smoke bomb cow pie And tear out of the place like a madman. However with all the cameras and such he'd surely do some jail time He knows that however, if no last name Jack were down here in Latin America He could easily pull that off because well This is Latin America and if they do have cameras half of them surely don't work
[03:51] And even if they somehow got your mugshot, they probably wouldn't follow up on it Anyway, now remember if you call the cops down here in Latin America unless you're within a block or two of the police station They certainly won't show up for a couple hours and maybe not till the next day if at all Oh, and by the way, did I tell you here in Latin America when driving down the road you might notice There are an awful lot of cars and motorcycles that do not have license plates or they do have plates But they're so bent up scarred dirty and mutilated that you couldn't read them with a microscope So do cops pull them over then? Nope Unless of course they get pulled over at a routine roadblock then they might get a ticket for 10 or 20 bucks or a warning But know this you could be driving a car without any plates at all and there could be a cop in a cruiser right behind you
[04:40] And he just won't pull you over unless of course you're well on the gringo tourist trail like Costa Rica Where the traffic cops just love gouging gringos, but you knew that already, right? In fact at my expat insider seminars I show a couple of powerpoint slides of many such death traps on the road with no plates or no lights No seatbelts missing bumpers missing doors broken windshields even entirely missing windshields However, one of my favorite shots is of four motorcycles parked in front of a police station in a central square in a medium-sized latin town and not one of those motorcycles Now again, they're parked in front of a cop shop has a license plate none So again, the point is once you get south of mexico
[05:27] The police are not overbearing sons of hillary out to ruin your day Because i'll tell you if you could drive around in a big city a city of millions of people for days months Even years with no headlights tail lights license plates or seatbelts You've got to know that big brother as we know it up in the states just has not arrived and probably never will But let's get back to the point whatever that was as far as difficulties at those drive up bank auto teller windows Remember, it's not the person that's being difficult. It's the system I mean when they don't even have deposit or withdrawal slips on hand. You got to know it's not the teller's fault Of course, it's well known throughout latin america. The service is terrible, but the people are extremely nice and pleasant
[06:13] They're always polite It's like expat eddie says expect rotten customer service with a smile Which is also one of the main reasons gringos with businesses do so well down here Why wouldn't they we were all brought up in a cutthroat business environment in the states and we know All about customer service and going that extra mile to keep that customer happy and coming back for more Though now I understand the tables are turning and all good things must come to an end I understand now that when you call up a customer service agent chances are you'll be in the ever so capable hands of a Pakistani call center agent a half a world away. So then you bronx and cleveland guys with your iphone glitches I hope that is working out nice for you
[06:58] Anyway, i'm not just kidding when I say latins are extremely nice and sincerely polite If you're paying attention, here's something you'll see all the time when you're in an elevator as it stops on each floor And the door opens you'll hear a pleasant chorus of buenas dias buenas tardis Whatever and that's the kind of politeness you get from people who don't even know each other And you know even 25 or so years ago when I lived in chicago If a lone guy was to get into an elevator and say something like that People would start wondering about him And perhaps in these hyper pc days if a guy did that every day multiple days in a row He might get reported and face psychological evaluation Hey, don't laugh. My brother who works up in chicago just told me that in the cook county sheriff's department
[07:46] Government workers there can be reported for sexual harassment if they look at another worker in the eye That is if they gaze or stare at them for more than 10 seconds Makes you wonder one who's counting and two who's running the asylum? God am I glad i'm living in latin america And by the way expat eddie in between chain smoking dollar and a half a pack belmont cigarettes and sucking down umbrella drinks He on occasion comes up with some beautifully simple phrases and truths For example one day we were standing in line in a place called decam or digicam. I can't remember That's the government gun registration bureau And by the way throughout latin america except in mexico, you know, it's legal to own and carry a gun
[08:35] You can even get a permit to carry concealed now You have to be a resident to buy a gun, but there are ways around that legal ways For example, if you're a worker on contract to an sa corporation in some cases the company can get a gun license And also buy the gun or guns because you know certain businesses require armed guards and such In fact even pepsi and coca-cola and water delivery trucks have an armed guard with a shotgun writing shotgun Not that a job like that is in any way dangerous, but it's just the custom down here Everybody does it and get this if you're a contract employee for a company that has a gun license If in your employment contract you have some kind of security authorization
[09:22] You can carry a gun shotgun Whatever at your place of employment or while on business or doing rounds for your company As with the guard with a shotgun in a coca-cola truck now If you think about it that opens up a lot of possibilities now, doesn't it? What happens if for example, you don't have residency therefore you can't go down to a gun shop and get a gun But let's say you own an sa corporation or you know someone that owns an sa corporation or your lawyer owns an sa corporation Of course you will because that's part of what he does for a living make sa corporations for people Anyway, let's just say you get hired by an sa corporation whether it's yours or not And in your employment contract, it says you do a number of things including occasional security functions Okay, there you go. Now you can carry a gun now
[10:08] You can't buy a gun But your sa corporation can buy a gun for you and on and on and your lawyer knows all those particular maneuvers to make It legal and yes, it is legal. Oh, and by the way, i've been asked many times by expats and gringos In fact, i've been asked two or three times in the last month or two and the question What if you're not a resident which means you can't legally buy a gun? Suppose someone were to buy a gun legally and give it to you as a gift or maybe he just left it at your house Or perhaps you bought it but didn't have it registered in your name It's still registered in the other guy's name because well, you can't do that because you're not a resident yet It could still remain in his name, right? Correct. So let's assume for example a latin friend of yours gave you a gun for christmas as a present
[10:55] A gun registered in his name. Wow. What a nice friend, huh? So you keep that gun under your mattress or in your closet for protection Now the way laws are written in latin america again except in mexico You can have a gun in your house No matter if you're a resident or not because you have a right to personal protection now Technically, it would be illegal for you to carry that gun outside of your property line But as long as it's within your property limits You have all the right in the world to have it there as long as it's registered with someone So then you might ask well, how can that happen? How can you get a gun in your house? That's registered who's gonna buy a gun for you register it in their name and let you hold it as if it was yours Well, I can't think of anyone who'd be dumb enough to do that
[11:40] Can you because well it's traced back to that person, right? Well on second thought I can think of someone who'll do that. You're a lawyer You're a good old latin lawyer if you're on good terms with him And you present that case to him or her for example You live way out in the boonies and you're not a resident yet and you like to have a shotgun for protection Well, I know many a lawyer that would go out and buy a shotgun You give them the money, of course drive it over your house and make a gift of it to you Now note we're just dreaming up some hypothetical situations here Now note also that your lawyer might just think you're a crazy gringle for coming down to latin america When the american dream is exactly the place you've left and note too that almost every latin lawyer is really a gringo wannabe
[12:27] All you have to do is ask him where his favorite place for a vacation is and that would be disneyland and or my jammy Of course nothing wrong with that. I mean most of us think that mormons democrats Republicans and Scientologists are crazy too. We don't try to convert them. There's no point They're already brain dead. So it's a waste of time So you're under no obligation to convert your lawyer to your way of thinking either In fact, i've found trying to convert any latin person in whatever socioeconomic class is pretty much an impossibility And though while you're trying to explain how america's gone down the toilet since you were a kid They'll smile be kind and ever so polite, but they're not getting the message They just think you're a kind of a crazy gringo again the good crazy not the hannibal lector crazy
[13:14] Think about it Why should they believe a gringo who's telling him just the opposite of what they're seeing every day on the media and the news And what they're hearing from all their legal and illegal relatives up in the states I mean think about it If a latin immigrant with a sixth grade education Could make a living up in the states and still afford to send a hundred bucks a month back Who could honestly convince a person here in latin america that the american dream doesn't exist? That's why even educated latins like your lawyer won't believe it I mean when all their lives have been told america is the land of milk and honey Not to mention they've never had a dot-com bubble a real estate bubble and qe Well, that's something no latin understands and most never heard of they've never had a welfare system or a safety net
[14:01] You get the idea. They just haven't lived through what we've lived through and seen again. I digress as usual Where was I oh, yeah expat eddie and I are standing in line at the digicam or whatever They call it the government arms registration building in solvador The lines just barely chugging along and things are well moving at the speed of government Yet everyone's extremely polite both the people in line who've been waiting for hours and the government workers attending them And that's when expat eddie had another one of his effusive moments of brilliant clarity And he said you know what johnny? Doesn't it seem the poorer the country the more seriously polite the locals are Which drew me because in those few words he kind of said it all
[14:46] Now there's a theme for another useless sociology grant if I ever heard one Oh, and I just remembered now another story expat eddie told me while we were standing in that government line He said around christmas time. He was invited to a big house party Turns out his girlfriend his fiancee's uncle from up in the states and his wife Were coming down to visit family in solvador for the christmas holidays. They'd been up in the states in texas I believe it was houston many years and they went there illegally, of course But they've been legal for a few years now after getting in on an amnesty program Anyway, this is the first time they'd been back to solvador in something like 12 or 13 years And so the folks back home who hadn't seen them in so long threw him a big welcome home party Okay, nothing unusual about that
[15:31] You know hail the conquering hero because they'd been sending remisses home all along In fact eddie says over the years with those remisses They built a nice middle class american style house in an upscale neighborhood in san solvador Which was eventually going to be their retirement home Hell eddie says they built it for like 35 000 bucks and for sure in the states it would have cost him four times that And that's exactly why they and so many other latin's up in the states build their retirement homes in their countries of origin Why because they know they can live like kings on a social security check So if latin's with sixth grade educations can sneak up to the states and work hard at menial jobs Get their residency retire and move back down to their home countries
[16:20] If they've figured out that's the way to go Why can't regular americans who'll be eating cat food on their social security checks figure that one out. It's beyond me So anyway, like eddie said they came back kind of kings of the castle And eddie said he talked to the old guy for a while asked him how things were going up in the states and all that Was eddie hasn't been back in something like 15 or 16 years And if you remember he lived in texas himself So when he meets someone from texas, he always bonds with him and pumps him for information as I sometimes do when I meet people From chicago. Anyway, eddie told me a couple weeks later after the party eddie was with his fiancee's family again And his future swagrass said by the way, the word swagra means mother-in-law She said her brother visiting from texas was very happy to meet and talk to eddie
[17:08] Then she said to him, you know, he doesn't know any real gringos up there In fact, she said you're the first one he's ever spoken to for any length of time She said my brother and his wife don't get a chance to mix with gringos because they don't speak english And they felt comfortable with you because you speak very good spanish Then eddie looked at me and said johnny. Do you get it? They've been up in the states what 15 20 years now and they don't speak english Then eddie said look johnny. I've been down here 16 17 years now. I speak almost perfect spanish And so do you and the fact is, you know, we can't help but speak good spanish We're off the gringo tourist trail and we're forced into it Which is why when you're on the gringo tourist trail such as cancun
[17:53] Panama costa rica You too can live there for 15 or 20 years and pick up just about enough spanish to read the taco bell menu So then why not a t-shirt to celebrate? I'm monolingual and proud of it And as far as that latin couple who lived up in houston for 15 or so years Not having learned a lick of english Well, you could say they relocated to a place in the u.s That's on the latin tourist trail In other words, they landed in a place in the states where there were nothing but spanish speakers Why because at first anyway, it's much less stress and the easy way out Which is perhaps why 90 even 95 percent of gringos and expats end up on the gringo tourist trail Because you'll hear people say it's so much easier to assimilate
[18:40] But you won't be assimilating and getting along with the locals You'll be assimilating and getting along with other gringos. So then what's my point? Well, if you don't get it by now, you never will Now kind of on the same theme a lot of gringos who don't speak spanish asked me To give them a kind of an estimate as to how many upscale latins know what's really happening up in the states In other words, how many latins certainly educated latins know about all those political lies? Do they know about the institutionalized corporate government fascism? Do they know the extent of the military industrial complex and the trillion dollar black budgets? Do they know about the gmo's and the mandatory vaccines and the ever increasing autism levels? Do they know that over 20 percent of young kids in the states are on ritalin or prescribed psychotropic drugs?
[19:31] Do they know that the average u.s adult over 50 is on six prescription medications and on and on and on? So then how many intelligent astute latins are clued in on all that? Well, i'd estimate less than one in a thousand and that would be generous The fact is I meet educated high-end latins all the time and they have no idea They're in a gigantic real estate bubble here Not to mention nearly all educated latins believe get this having an mba degree It'll get you the key to the city and in truth All it'll get you is the key to the broom closet at starbucks and get this Upscale latins say they'd love to invest in the u.s stock market if they only knew how and you know Every time I have one of my expat insider seminars I learned that lesson over and over again that it doesn't matter how upscale or educated a latin person is
[20:22] They just don't have a clue as to what's happening worldwide Seems that latins are endowed with perpetual optimism Which I suppose will be a comforting thing as they watch the rest of the first world get sucked into the toilet And I see that over-the-top optimism when I hire translator ladies for my expat insider seminars Now since most of my ladies are a hundred percent bilingual That means that they go to the highest end colleges and universities in latin america. They're from upscale families Generally, they have cars which instantly puts them into a very high socio-economic bracket Since only about five percent of adult latins own cars Anyway, i'm interviewing sort of the cream of the young college latin crop So while interviewing said ladies after I give them a general idea of what the people are like
[21:12] Who come to my seminars? I always ask if they have any questions and they do for example They'll ask why do these successful gringos avoid things like facebook twitter? What's up and google? The fact is these college educated upscaled young ladies have never heard anything like that before And the big question is always why do successful gringos up in the states want to come down here to live? Now remember down here in latin america anyone making over ten thousand dollars a year is considered a success story To most latins that is why well the average working adult makes around three and a half to maybe five grand a year Which brings up a sticky point for those who believe government statistics? So follow me on this one if you go for example on wikipedia to any latin country
[22:00] Let's pick panama and you'll see the per capita income there is around 21 000 a year So something's not right if the average adult makes from 3500 to 5000 a year Where does that totally misleading 21 000 a year come from government statistics? Of course, and there are a lot of sneaky ways governments come up with figures like that For example since panama city is an international banking center There are a disproportionate number of white collar millionaires which jacks up those per capita figures substantially And of course, no one's counting the people that are off the books and in panama That's anywhere from 20 to 25 percent of the entire working population not paying taxes Not on any lists. No one's counting them at all the vast majority of them making well under 300 bucks a month
[22:49] Now that's not to say there aren't a hell of a lot of middle-class panamanian families making around 20 000 bucks a year But remember that's with all four or five family members Chipping into the family pot like middle-class american families did in the 20s 30s and 40s So bottom line don't be misled by those per capita income numbers You see when you look up a country in wikipedia or anywhere else that lists government statistics again It's a place to start but don't hang your hat on those numbers. They're almost always way too inflated. All right, where were we? Oh, yeah, we were talking about me interviewing translator ladies from my latin insider seminars And having some of them asked me in the interview Why in the world would successful gringos want to come down to latin america and live here?
[23:35] Oh, and by the way when I interview him, I always say why don't you listen to a couple of my shows to get an idea? What we talk about but they don't remember most of these ladies are 20 something college girls Who don't want to hear this guy is falling in every latin's favorite fantasy land It would be like forcing those poor young girls to watch kim kardashian's butt explode on live tv or worse yet To announce that my jammies been swept away forever by a hurricane or that disney world's been permanently closed After discovering that organs were being harvested in it's a small small world What a catastrophe world-shattering events that would be way too much for any latin to handle Anyway, who would believe it? And why almost no latin's i've ever met believe that the first world is making its last few spins around the toilet bowl
[24:26] So then once you're down here What are you supposed to do when virtually everyone including the most educated latinists believe the us is the land of milk and honey Or more precisely the land of vitamin fortified gmo milk and honey Anyway, so as not to scare off the bilingual ladies I interview I say something like this I say our seminar attendees are way above average and some of them are brilliant Nearly all of them know well that the us government and the economy has a fatal disease and it's going down the toilet People that come to our seminars know they and everyone else are being monitored and put on government shit lists Not to mention more and more people are getting punished for their thoughts and actions For example, it's becoming harder and harder to travel and more and more people are getting hassled endlessly at airports
[25:14] And that's some of the milder stuff. I tell them don't think this is some kind of paranoia either It's happening right now But you'll only read or see it in the alternative news not on cable tv or in normal media channels Which are all owned by just a few huge media conglomerates Who are in bed with the insurance companies the pharmaceutical companies? Monsanto the too big to fail banks the u.s congress and the defense contractors in the military industrial complex And as you can imagine by then i've got a wide-eyed young lady staring at me in total disbelief And then i'll finish with a topper by saying something like So that's why many highly intelligent us people are making their plans and getting ready to leave meanwhile Uneducated uninformed latins are rushing the border to get into the states
[26:04] So I have given variations on that little spiel to ladies I interview one and they ask why successful gringos would give up that american dream and come down to live in latin america So does that little spiel convince anyone? No You can't change anyone's mindset in five minutes. Yes, these young ladies would love to live in the states, too So bottom line in the end you could say all my loyal translator ladies are loyal to the cause that is the seminar cause But they're not loyal to their own countries because their dream Like 99.9 percent of all latins is to go to the united states and live the life They see middle class anglo-americans live as depicted on us cable tv, which is ubiquitous down here now So am I being too harsh? I'm certainly not on a crusade to convert anybody long ago
[26:54] I gave up trying to convince latins that the us was going down the toilet I guess you have to live there and be a frog in the boiling pot to see that Oh, and another common question I get from ladies during that interview Is this what in the heck is an alternative media? Hmm. Okay, we're towards the end now So don't forget to go to www the new expat.com and catch those john gulp blogs And you'll see me there too and do check out my youtube channel Just plug in expat files in the search box and see the pictures that go along with the audio Do check it out and don't forget to subscribe. It's free You've been listening to the expat files living in latin america coming to you twice a week from somewhere south of the border
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