Episode Summary
In this episode, Johnny Mueller discusses his experience with expat wisdom seminars and how he adjusted his appearance to blend in more effectively. He reflects on the challenges expats face in Latin America, such as standing out due to their height and being perceived as 'gringos.' He shares a personal anecdote about receiving feedback from a bilingual translator at a seminar, which led him to dress more professionally. He also critiques bloggers who claim to be authorities on Latin America but provide inaccurate or misleading information due to limited exposure and a tendency to mingle only with other expats and upper-middle-class locals. Johnny emphasizes the importance of engaging with the broader, often overlooked segments of Latin society to gain a true understanding of the region.
Johnny critiques the credibility of some Latin American bloggers who claim to be experts despite limited experience, while praising those who share authentic, humorous travel stories. He highlights the issue of misinformation and the importance of discerning reliable information for expats planning to move to Latin America. He also provides an example of a misleading blog post about the cost of name brand clothing in Latin America, contrasting it with the reality of where such items can be found at significantly lower prices.
Johnny discusses the disparity in shopping experiences between expats and local populations in Central America. He highlights that expats often shop in expensive private schools and high-end stores, while average locals shop in more affordable, less visible areas. Johnny explains that the perception of counterfeit goods is misleading, as many items sold in these areas are genuine, often produced in factories that supply global brands. He also addresses the cost of electronics, noting that while some items are expensive in malls, expats can find better deals in local markets. Johnny emphasizes that understanding these nuances is crucial for expats to navigate the local market effectively.
Johnny discusses the availability and affordability of electronic parts and supplies in Latin America, highlighting the presence of small, inexpensive stores known as bodegas that offer a wide range of products. He shares a personal anecdote about repairing a plasma television for a fraction of the cost at a regular service center, attributing this to the ability of local technicians to source parts cheaply from these stores. Johnny contrasts the cost of electronic supplies in Latin America with the United States, emphasizing that while specialty items can be expensive, there are affordable alternatives available in local markets and small stores. He also mentions the availability of natural health products and supplements in local stores, noting that while they may not be branded or packaged as in the West, they are often cheaper and effective. Johnny advises expats to explore local markets and small stores rather than relying on upscale, overpriced options.
In this segment, Johnny Mueller discusses the availability of natural herbs and supplements in local markets in Latin America, emphasizing that while expats may rely on imports from the U.S., there are local alternatives that can be just as effective. He also reflects on his own experiences as an expat, acknowledging past mistakes and the importance of learning from them. Johnny mentions the challenges expats face on the tourist trail, including competition and the difficulty of leaving once invested. He concludes by promoting upcoming seminars aimed at helping expats transition successfully to life in Latin America.
Topics
Expat life in Latin America, Cultural integration and identity, Critique of expat bloggers, Personal anecdotes and experiences, Bloggers and their credibility, Misinformation in travel blogs, Expatriate experiences in Latin America, Cost of living in Latin America, Shopping in Central America, Expats vs. locals, Counterfeit vs. genuine goods, Electronics pricing
Chapters
00:00:00 Opening 00:00:33 Changing Appearance for Better Integration 00:03:54 Critique of Inaccurate Expat Bloggers 00:05:49 The Problem with Some Bloggers' Credibility 00:07:46 Why Authentic Blogs Are Worth Reading 00:08:32 Examples of Misleading Blog Content 00:10:07 The Reality of Name Brand Clothing Costs in Latin America 00:11:38 The Average Girl's Shopping Habits 00:11:53 Designer Brands in Local Markets 00:12:27 Factories Producing Global Brands 00:15:03 Shopping for Designer Labels at Lower Prices 00:16:26 Apple Products and Electronics Pricing 00:17:02 Introduction to Electronic Supply Stores in Latin America 00:17:21 Personal Anecdote About Repairing a Plasma Television 00:19:38 Discussion on the Cost of Vitamins and Supplements in Latin America 00:22:27 Local Natural Products in Latin America 00:24:32 Expat Experiences and Mistakes 00:26:26 Challenges of Living on the Tourist Trail 00:26:55 Upcoming Seminars for Expats
Transcript
Automatically transcribed from the original recording; names and wording may contain errors.
[00:00] South of the border down Mexico way That's where I fell in love when the stars above came up to play and now as I wonder My thoughts ever straight Hi everybody I'm Johnny Mueller and you're listening to the expat files Living in Latin America the show that tells you what it's really like to live work play and or retire in Latin America I tell it just like it is so let's get started You know what my last expat wisdom seminar I changed my look just a little bit I tried to come off this time not looking too extremely under the radar Though I guess if you're extremely under the radar you'd probably stick out on that count
[00:47] So that would be an oxymoron now wouldn't it? So instead of being extremely low profile what you should shoot for is just plain old blending in That kind of low profile though as some of you guys have pointed out It's almost impossible to get away with that completely because we all stick out like sore thumbs I mean we're gringos after all right for example Most of us can't change the fact that we're about a half a foot taller than the average person down here So in that respect we're gonna stick out So anyway back to the point in my last expat wisdom seminar I changed my look just a little bit and I did that because in my last couple of seminars I heard some comments that I looked a bit rumpled you know and that's clean rumpled and there's a difference really Which is actually a look a lot of us long-term expats cultivate down here in Latin America because who needs to impress anyone right?
[01:40] Sure, you can't hide the fact that you're a gringo But when you're a rumpled gringo, and you're not showing off any flash well, you're nobody's target then right anyway this time I thought I'll try to look a little bit more professional and pick up a couple of new basic Clothing items and look a little more pressed you know and I did that basically because one of my bilingual expat wisdom Translator girls pulled me aside at one of our meetings and said Johnny don't take this wrong But maybe you should dress up like a guy who's actually supposed to be given a seminar Now I'm not the kind of guy who caves into peer pressure very easily But I always thought that short baggy pants with the asscrack showing was the style for seminar presenters these days Wow good thing she clued me in on that huh just kidding, but bottom line
[02:27] I did go out and get some new threads, and you know right away I got a couple of comments one of the ladies at the seminar. She said to me Johnny That's a very cool jacket you're wearing and she wasn't trying to get me to buy dinner either She really meant it I could tell And I gave her the usual response and said what this old thing And then I laughed and said you know I just bought this thing maybe about four or five days ago And you know what for a minute I was feeling a little guilty pleasure out of it because it was a real name brand and I never buy designer labels Not if I can help it because again That's not keeping a low profile right and the guilty pleasure was I was getting complemented on a jacket I paid like 11 bucks for from a name brand designer No less, and I felt really excellent about that for about nine seconds
[03:13] Which is I guess why that name brand stuff sells for that nine seconds of euphoria you know Now I must say the jacket is kind of cool But a lot of zippers and buttons and doodads that people dig these days you know so absolutely in the end It was 11 bucks well spent knowing that surely this thing had cost 50 or 60 bucks up in the states who knows anyway I felt really good for a couple days wearing this thing until one day When I was getting my shoes shined at the airport for like 40 or 50 cents I noticed to my shot surprise and eventual disappointment that the shoeshine guy had the exact same jacket on So much for my nine seconds of euphoria now I bring this up specifically because I want to talk about people who blog about Latin America and try to come off as
[04:00] Authorities on the subject, but really give out incorrect if not bad information But they give misinformation out with authority because they have nice websites some of them anyway basically because they've only been down here a few weeks or months and they've got very Incomplete information since they prefer to mix with other gringos and upper middle-class Latins never really mingling with the other 95% of Latin society and that believe me is where the action is and Still they blog away like they're experts Maybe it's that they just crave an audience and don't know any better and since these tenderfoot expats generally have very bad Spanish They tend to hang out with those bilingual gringo wannabes who don't like mixing with the common people themselves
[04:46] Which even further limits your exposure as to how society works here and that's a big mistake because you'll never find out what's happening at the street level and it usually turns out that the most these tenderfoot expats get to actually mix with the common people is when they get waited on at a Restaurant because the gringos and the bilingual people they end up hanging out with don't like mingling with the middle and lower classes Except when they need a maid some yard work done or a toilet fixed. No, let's dissect this phenomena a bit more I mentioned in the previous show that there's a lot of people who blog about their travels through Latin America I mean if you check the web you can find hundreds if not thousands of these guys out there You know everybody wants to tell you about their experiences, right? Everybody thinks what they're doing exploring or discovering is of huge interest to the rest of the world
[05:35] I mean, that's what blogging is all about, right? But the problem you see is a lot of these IT guys who were successful in IT or have internet businesses Guys who build nice beautiful websites. Well, they think their blogging skills are up to their IT skills and they're not Of course, they'll never tell you that and I'm sure they don't realize it themselves But they can confuse and mislead a lot of wannabes that might be reading their blog sites Because they do come off sounding like big authorities on some Latin American subject or other Even though like I said the majority of these guys have only been down here with boots on the ground for a few weeks To a few months then they're back up in the states again blogging away as if they were still down here But they're not gonna tell you that either if they did their credibility would be shot now, wouldn't it?
[06:22] Then you just wouldn't bite when they tried to sell you something on their website, which is the usual endgame, right? Anyway, I gotta say I do admire some of the bloggers out there who tell their travel stories with some humor and some modesty They're not trying to come off as the voice of authority on anything They're just giving you an idea of their own day-to-day life, which can be pretty amusing and informative Which is always a good mix For example, this guy Tom who came to my expat wisdom seminar and ended up staying down here Actually, he never left and along the way through his travels in Central America because that's where he is right now He started writing a blog called something like stumbling through paradise You know a funny tongue-in-cheek take on his adventures through Latin America And even though he doesn't know the language and has never been down here before
[07:11] He's willing to give just about everything and anything ago including visiting places way off the tourist trail He's not afraid one bit to mingle and hang with the common people Even though like I said his Spanish sucks and being that he's all alone now on his voyage He's made all kinds of strange and wonderful friends along the way anyway He's not trying to tell anybody what they should or shouldn't do nor is he trying to come off as some kind of expert That's why he calls his blog stumbling into paradise Every day for him as a new adventure sometimes he hits the jackpot and some days he falls flat in his face You know stumbling into paradise right now blogs like his are the ones to read It's different fun, and you can even learn something from it Then you have these other kind of bloggers who are just the opposite
[07:58] They've been down here only a couple of months or a couple of weeks and to satisfy their low self-esteem or big egos or craving For an audience or whatever they try to come off as gurus or experts in all things Latin American And some of these guys are borderline frauds. They use Latin American addresses while blogging from the states Obviously to appear as if they're actually down here go figure now of course anybody can set up a website and blog No crime against that and no one's forcing you to go there and read it either But just to show you how much bad if not false information is out there about Latin America I'm gonna read an example or two for you And I can't figure out if it's coming from people who've got a self-esteem problem They need an audience or they just have know-it-all personalities who knows but they're out there blogging away
[08:45] So what's that got to do with you me and the expat files well for expat wannabes The problem is how to separate the wheat from the chaff because obviously if you're interested in stuff like this You're trying to make plans to possibly escape and come down here and since we're dealing with the internet Finding good information is not all that easy now listen to this I'm looking at a blog from one of these guys right now, and he says and I'll paraphrase here Many things are bargains in Latin America however Don't make the mistake of thinking that everything is a bargain because many things are not they're actually Significantly more expensive than in the US and the rest of the world for example name brand clothing He says it's a strange irony But in countries that produce a lot of the clothing we wear in the US like Guatemala Salvador Honduras etc
[09:32] Those quality and name brand designer clothes are not cheap in fact They're downright expensive here even by North American standards Well, you know what if you read that you're gonna think hey, you know I'm not gonna buy any real name brand stuff in Latin America God I'm glad I found that out before I go down Well guess what I'm here to tell you the complete opposite is true now I just told you that little story about my jacket right that was my lead-in to this segment and how I get started on This in the first place if you haven't figured that out already Anyway, let me tell you the story about name brand clothing here in Latin America And how you can get it for half a third or even a quarter of what you'd pay up in the first world So how does this guy get off saying what he just said? Well, that's because if you haven't been down here for an extended period of time
[10:19] The only places you're gonna shop for clothes are in shopping malls and shopping malls down here in Latin America Have all the designer clothing stores like diesel and gas and all that and if you buy it name brands at stores like that You're gonna pay first world or higher prices However in every city in Latin America There is a neighborhood business district or two or three with dozens and dozens of little storefront clothing outlets though Usually located in middle and lower middle class scruffy neighborhoods not dangerous neighborhoods But scruffy places the average gringos and tenderfoot expats never go nor do upper middle class latins or children of the entitled rich Ever frequent those places either many of those outlets are mom-and-pop shops where you can buy
[11:05] designer labels as well as knockoffs pirated stuff and the same low-end clothing that you see in Sears and monkey wards and Any number of no-name clothing stores that you see up in the first world, too But you know if you haven't been down here a while and haven't been mixing with the common people You're not gonna know about those places because if the only latins you come into contact with are Professionals like doctors lawyers and accountants and bilingual translators who go to the expensive private schools Well, they don't shop in those places. It's a class and neighborhood thing and it's beneath them You know But an average girl a girl comes from a family whose father makes about three to five hundred dollars a month That's where she shops all the time That's why you often do see girls at bus stops wearing the latest styles and brand names like guess
[11:53] Jordash Benetton diesel and Gloria Vanderbilt jeans as well as all the other designer labels you can think of But just a minute. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking. Well, those are probably fakes pirated jeans, right Then of course, they're gonna be half again or a quarter as cheap as the real thing Which would confirm what that guy said in his blog, right? Well, let me tell you a little story being that I've been down here a long long time I personally know textile factory owners and people who have factories that make jeans and blouses and belts and skirts For Tommy guess Gloria Vanderbilt and any other designer brand name you've seen up in the first world And if you come down to my expat wisdom seminar sometime I'll introduce you to these guys because they're on my business tour
[12:40] Anyway, well, it just so happens that one of my expat gringle friends was up till very recently the owner of the biggest silkscreen textile factory in all of Central America Silkscreening of course for designer labels all over the world and this is what he has to say about knockoffs and pirating down here versus buying original designer clothes and obviously you can get them both down here anyway as he explained to me and The people at my expat wisdom seminar he says for example when they get an order for 20,000 shirts from Gloria Vanderbilt or Armani or Abercrombie and Fitch Ralph Lauren or Hugo Boss or whatever They always make a clothing run of five or ten percent more and he says if you're a really good detailed operation You really only need to run maybe one percent more because like he said at his shop
[13:28] That's about all the rejects you're gonna get so for example if you run 20,000 like he said and you've got ten percent overrun That's two thousand extra shirts you've produced with only 200 shirts that are actually rejects and the rest of that overrun are Absolutely fine, which is that one percent he was talking about at his factory. So what happens to that other? 1,800 shirts you think they just burn them or toss them in a dumpster Well, no He says they go to these little small outlets these tiny little places that I was talking about these small mom-and-pop Clothing shops some of them owned by Latin some of them Koreans and Middle Easterners, too They get their hands on those extra runoffs But the deal is like my friend says you can only sell them within the country
[14:13] You can't ship them for export anywhere because that's part of the deal They have with these big brand-name outfits from up in the garment district in New York So there you have it You can go to the Tommy Hilfiger store and buy some real designer Tommy jeans for a hundred and ten bucks Probably paying more than you'd pay up in the States for the same thing or you can shop with the average Latin girl shops in one of those concentrated little clothing districts that green gringos and tenderfoot expats don't even know about and sure it's true when You go into one of those stores You might not find the Tommy jeans of your liking you might not find Tommy jeans at all You're gonna find what's ever being produced and run off at the moment in some of these big factories And you know if you jumped on a plane right now and came down here to Central America and you met up with me I could take you by the hand and in 20 to 25 minutes get you to one of these little concentrated clothing shop areas
[15:03] And you could shop designer labels to your heart's content for half to a quarter of what you'd pay for the very same thing Up in the first world so that dispels your so-called expert blogger myth number one But that's not all the same guy goes on to blog about buying electronic products down here He says and I'm paraphrasing again Computers mobile phones digital camera video gear and many garden variety adapters and cables are all significantly more expensive than in North America And you know what he's completely right about that if you're a tenderfoot clueless shopper But all of us expats who've been down here a long time know it's completely different We know how and where to shop again because green gringos and tenderfoot expats always seem to shop for that stuff at
[15:49] Malls and big shopping centers and some of those mall stores are first world franchises So you're gonna pay first world prices like in Walmart Sears Ace Hardware Costco and Radio Shack The or company stores like the iPhone store or Sony or LG stores where you are gonna pay first world prices, too However, if you look in the big-city Latin papers these days and in the Sunday supplements you'll find electronic things like TVs and phones and boomboxes and video games and stuff and PC computers at first world prices too or pretty damn close and by the way You don't see deals on Apple products down here. Nobody gets a deal on Apple not yet Anyway, but it'll come after all they make this stuff in China, right?
[16:35] But aside from Apple and high-end audio stuff like Bose and Blaupunkt stores are always running sales And here's the biggest joke the same blogger guy says garden variety adapters and cables are all Significantly more expensive than in North America, which is completely true If you buy that stuff at shopping mall stores, but again, there's a flip side to the story I can take you to sections of town in any medium to big city where there's a Conglomeration of little tiny hole-in-the-wall Electronic supply stores and the doors might be tiny but they open up into giant warehouses what they call bodegas here Just filled with every known plug adapter cord and cable as well as every electronic part You can think of in fact
[17:21] I told you that story a couple of segments ago about how I had my plasma screen Television repaired for a third or was it a quarter of what they would have charged me at the regular service center Which in that case was the Costco service center How do you think that little repair guy that I took it to was able to charge me only a quarter or a third of the? Authorized service center price. Well, that's because he knows he can go down to a certain section of his town and Search out his parts at a cheap electronic supply store that he knows has everything and you know being an engineer myself in a former life I have repaired a lot of electrical appliances in my day And I know just the part of town to go when I have to buy any kind of supplies myself In fact, I've bought lots of adapters and cables for computers audio. You name it and I've bought it down here cheap
[18:08] I mean ridiculously cheap In fact right now if you jumped on a plane and met me down here in practically any Latin American city at all You name it I could lead you by the hand and show you where to buy any electronic cable or adapter known to man and guess what? Last time I checked out one of these places about five or six months ago when I needed a video extension cable for an overhead projector I think I paid about four dollars for an eight footer and about two and a half dollars for a 12 foot USB Extension cable in fact the finished cable was so ridiculously cheap I couldn't buy the raw materials cheaper and do it myself and that's what I used to do 30 years ago back in the stage I wouldn't pay ten bucks for a cable I'd spend three and get the parts and make it myself because well That's what engineers and techies do when they want to save a few bucks
[18:56] But down here again, if you know where to look things are so damn cheap You'd be a fool to solder up a cable yourself Like I used to do when I was back up in the States Just like you'd be nuts to clean your own house down here when you can get a maid for ten or fifteen bucks a day But you see if you're a green gringo or a tenderfoot expat You're just gonna stumble around Latin America and go to places that other gringos go to or places that are recommended by your upscale Private school Latin friends who think it's beneath them to shop at some of the places that I just pointed out So anyway right about now our blogger guys batting with two strikes on him So now we come to the final point this blogger guy blathers about he states Vitamins food supplements and specialty foods are expensive in Latin America
[19:43] He says unless it's a common item in everyday use you'll pay a small fortune for it now I admit he's right about that if you want a certain brand of coke you ten or carnos scene or Gary knows green stuff or anything That's a specialty item. There's only two ways to get it You gotta have someone bring it down for you or you order it through Amazon or one of those companies and it'll come FedEx Or whatever and you will pay a third to a half more than what you'd pay up in the first world for it But shouldn't that be obvious if you were in China, Indonesia, Malaysia or Europe you'd run into the same dilemma If you want a certain brand of cold-pressed flax oil, well, you're gonna have to order it from the States There's no demand for that down here and you don't want to go to GNC They're all over the place down here, but they're an extreme ripoff way too expensive and their products
[20:29] Well, who knows about the quality, but I will say that every little neighborhood It seems has a business district with at least a couple of nice little organic natural health food stores or kiosks and they carry dozens if not hundreds of herbs and spices and medicines and treatments and stuff a Lot of which you've probably never even heard of. I know I haven't but just remember down here where I am right now in Central America This is formerly the land of the Aztecs and the Mayans and there are Millions of indigenous people still living down here and they've got their own natural remedies for practically anything you can think of So that combined with modern Western medicine and alternative medicine, which is down here in a pretty big way, too That combined with organic health foods and supplements that we know about
[21:14] There's a mix of all that stuff down here You just have to know where to find it But you're not gonna find any of that stuff except a GNC store in upscale shopping malls where most green Gringos and tenderfoot expats hang out when they first get down here But I'll tell you what if you go to any one of the low-end shopping malls And you'll find a lot of small strip malls like that in most any middle-class residential area again Totally off the gringo radar. Anyway, if you go to one of those little malls They'll always be a little natural health food counter or kiosk But you're not gonna get your favorite hawthorn extract or desiccated whey protein at one of these places But chances are if you tell the clerk what you're looking for they'll have some kind of natural product available that'll do just about the same thing and
[22:02] Generally because these natural products are grown around the area They'll be very cheap compared to anything you can get up in the first world and usually the packaging will be kind of rudimentary, too Sometimes it looks like someone grew the herb or spice in their garden and packaged it up on their kitchen table Which just might be the case and here's another tip for you if you're looking for natural remedies Check out the big open market in the city or town that you're in there You'll always be able to spot a couple of kiosks loaded with natural herbs and supplements and stuff Then you could check out anything you might need or want to try Before you go spending money on Amazon and having this stuff shipped down here or waiting for someone to bring it down for you From the states and you know the people behind the counter in those places might look like your average housewife or checkout clerk But believe me, they know everything there is to know about natural herbs and spices grown in the region
[22:52] So tell them what you need or what your problem is and just might discover a local natural product that you didn't even know existed That can really help but again that conversation is gonna take place in Spanish. I can guarantee that Now I do have expat friends who occasionally make a jaunt back to the first world for whatever reason For one to make the obligatory trip back to the relatives they've escaped from and by the way, that's what expat Eddie calls a guilt trip Now some expats go back for weddings or funerals or just because they want a free-body cavity search Haven't had one of those yet. Anyway, I get dozens of offers a year from expats No, not for a free-body cavity search. They're offering to bring me back something I might need from back up in the states and on occasion
[23:39] I do take them up on it and specifically every year or two I have someone bring down a slew of vitamins for me Mostly because I refuse to buy similar ones at GNC for four or five times the price But suddenly if that route was cut off to me completely and I couldn't get that stuff anymore or anything from the first world You know what? I wouldn't suffer one bit It's only because I'm a bit lazy that I haven't searched out more of the equivalence down here though I have by hook and crook stumbled on certain vitamins and supplements down here They're even better than the stuff than you can get in the states But I still depend on some certain vitamins and supplements from the states But I'm working on changing that shortly because in fact, I don't want to depend on the first world for anything really So anyway, what's our scorecard like with this know-it-all blogger guy? Well, we'll give him that vitamin thing. That's one in his favor
[24:25] But he's struck out completely on the brand name clothing thing and on that electronics stuff. He also scores a bust He was wrong two out of three times. That's a 33 percent, which is an f-minus in anyone's book Now in the interest of full disclosure, I have to say I was just like him in the first couple years I came down I hung around with gringos and expats and bilingual people latins from the snooty higher classes But I got over it and learned my lesson But that took about five years or so and luckily 18 or 20 years ago There was barely an internet so I couldn't blog and make a fool of myself But now i'm on the radio making a fool of myself. So in the immortal words of elvis fools russian where angels fear to tread And that's why if you go to my website expatwisdom.com
[25:12] There's a consultation link on that page and believe me a lot of expat wannabes clicked on that link and scheduled Consultation appointments with me well before they ever came down And what they usually do is give me a list of five or ten questions concerning their particular situation and everyone's seems to be completely different Like I said i'm not the smartest expat in the world by any means I made a ton of mistakes Especially in my first couple years here after all one of my first moves was to costa rica, you know But you know in the end moving there wasn't really a huge mistake after all it turned out for the best Because I learned all those hard social and business lessons that all expats face when they're trying to live on the tourist trail And in fact is once you've got a home and invested money in a place on the tourist trail
[25:59] It's very difficult to get out and what discourages a lot of expats who find out just how hard it is to make a go Of it on the tourist trail with all that gringo competition When things do go south it can leave such a bad taste in your mouth You just throw in the towel take a loss and head back to cleveland or chicago And in the case of costa rica that's happened to more than half of the expats i've met down there And a good percentage of the ones that are still there want to get out, but they can't But a small percentage of us lucky expats stumble off the tourist trail then we discover that gringo advantage That's when that cliche of living in paradise on the cheap becomes a reality So I might not be the expert expat, but as expatty says there are crappier shows out there The price is right and you get what you pay for
[26:46] Now before I close out today's show I like to remind you that me and the gang at expat wisdom are thinking about putting together some one-day fast track seminars Specifically designed to jump start your perspective move to becoming an expat down here in latin america Give you a solid game plan. So if you're interested in attending a short one-day seminar Just go to expat wisdom calm and sign up for the info or email me at seminars at expat wisdom calm Be sure to tell me where you live not your exact address, of course But tell me what city you're living or the city that's closest to you And that includes all you guys who are sick of living in europe, too So give me a heads up and if there are enough people interested There's a chance that some expat wisdom folks will be visiting a city near you
[27:38] Listening to the expat files living in latin america coming to you each week from somewhere south of the border And don't forget you can email me on anything at all about latin america the expat files at gmail.com See you next time You