Episode Summary
In this episode of The Expat Files, Johnny Mueller provides an honest and unfiltered look at expat life in Latin America, contrasting it with the idealized portrayals found in travel magazines and websites. He emphasizes that the show aims to help expats navigate the realities of life in the region, rather than presenting a utopian view. Mueller also highlights the challenges of living in the United States, suggesting that the American dream is fading and that Latin America offers a more viable alternative. He mentions that this episode is unique because it features an interview with someone he personally interviewed, which is a first for the show. Mueller discusses the financial instability in the United States, including high unemployment, massive debt, and a potential financial crisis, and contrasts this with the relative stability and 'soft landing' he believes Latin America offers. He also touches on the mindset of expat wannabes, who often hesitate to make the move, and the preparedness of preppers in the U.S., which he argues is not as effective as it seems in the context of a potential crisis.
In a later segment, Johnny critiques the U.S. public education system, referencing international test scores as evidence of its failure. He contrasts his own experience with a Catholic grade school, which he humorously refers to as granting him an 'honorary master's degree in guilt.' He then shifts to discussing the economic instability of first-world economies and the increasing number of people considering relocation. He highlights the advantages of living in Central America, particularly in places like Antigua Guatemala, where expats can enjoy a self-sustaining lifestyle with minimal effort. Johnny also mentions an interview with a recently relocated expat couple who sold everything in the U.S. and moved to Central America, emphasizing the importance of planning and legal advice when making the move. He concludes by announcing upcoming interviews with seminar attendees to provide firsthand accounts of the expat experience.
In another segment, Johnny discusses his experience with job loss and the decision to start an online business, which gave him the freedom to relocate. He and his partner, Kyle, initially visited Costa Rica on a whim, where Johnny explored real estate. Although they couldn't move there at the time, they eventually decided to relocate to Guatemala after researching other countries and considering factors like language, cost of living, and cultural appeal. Johnny highlights the contrast between the common perception of Latin America as hot and tropical versus the more temperate climate in the Altiplano region, which he now resides in. He also shares his travel experiences in Europe and the Caribbean, as well as the doubts and skepticism he and Kyle faced from others about their decision to move to Guatemala permanently.
In a later segment, the podcast discusses the experiences of expats moving to Central and South America, particularly focusing on Costa Rica and Guatemala. The speaker shares how they found Costa Rica expensive and decided to move to Guatemala, where they found more affordable living. They also compare the Expat Wisdom seminar to other seminars and programs targeting expats, noting that many of these seminars are focused on selling real estate, while the Expat Wisdom seminar was different in that it did not sell anything and instead provided valuable information about expat life. The speaker highlights the benefits of the seminar, including networking with other expats, gaining insights into different countries, and learning about the local culture and business practices. They also mention the impact of moving to Guatemala on their stress levels and overall well-being.
In another segment, Johnny Mueller discusses the Expat Wisdom Seminar, stating it was targeted toward middle-class individuals who are looking for a way out of the financial pressures they face in the United States. He emphasizes that the seminar was informative and beneficial, providing a head start for expats living in Latin America. He also shares his positive experience with the seminar, highlighting the comfortable and engaging environment, the quality of food, and the safety of the location. He recommends the seminar to friends and family, noting that it's a valuable resource for those considering moving or spending time in Latin America.
In the final segment, Johnny shares a story about expats who have settled in a location that the US State Department and other authorities have warned against. Despite the warnings, the expats have found numerous business opportunities and have no regrets about their decision. Johnny expresses his own preference for living in such a place over Cleveland, highlighting his confidence in their choice. He also announces plans for an upcoming Expat Wisdom Seminar in December or early January, inviting listeners to email for more information.
Topics
Introduction to The Expat Files, Contrast between idealized and real portrayals of Latin America, Financial instability in the United States, Potential for a 'soft landing' in Latin America, Mindset of expat wannabes and preppers, Education system critique, Economic instability, Expat relocation, Self-sustaining lifestyle, Legal and planning considerations for expats, Relocation and lifestyle change, Entrepreneurship and online business
Chapters
00:00:00 Opening 00:00:13 Contrast Between Idealized and Real Portrayals of Latin America 00:01:04 Financial Instability in the United States 00:02:37 The Concept of a 'Soft Landing' in Latin America 00:03:51 Discussion of Financial and Social Issues in the United States 00:05:01 Critique of U.S. Education System 00:05:27 Economic Instability and Expat Relocation 00:06:57 Interview with Recently Relocated Expat Couple 00:09:32 Importance of Low Profile and Legal Planning for Expat Relocation 00:10:39 Initial Interest in Latin America 00:11:21 Language and Cost Considerations 00:13:07 Contrasting Perceptions of Latin America 00:15:33 Realization of Other Countries on the List 00:16:32 Comparison of Expat Wisdom Seminar to Other Offerings 00:21:19 Positive Feedback on the Seminar's Informational Value 00:21:27 Target Audience of the Expat Wisdom Seminar 00:22:36 Targeting Middle-Class Expats Looking for a Way Out 00:22:53 Johnny's Positive Impression of the Seminar 00:22:55 Johnny's Learning Experience at the Seminar 00:23:11 Comfortable and Engaging Seminar Environment 00:23:37 Johnny's Overall Positive Experience at the Seminar 00:23:40 Quality of Food at the Seminar 00:26:42 Business Opportunities in a Restricted Location 00:26:58 Government Warnings vs. Expats' Experience 00:27:20 Upcoming Expat Wisdom Seminar
Transcript
Automatically transcribed from the original recording; names and wording may contain errors.
[00:03] Hi everybody, I'm Johnny Mueller and you're listening to the expat files living in Latin America. The show that tells you what it's really like to live, work, play and or retire in Latin America. I tell it just like it is, not the version they give you in those glossy travel magazines or the picture they paint for you in those international traveler websites where they're only trying to sell you something. What's it really like for expats living in Latin America? Well if you stick around a while you'll find out. So, let's get started. Today I've got a very special, even unusual expat files show because in fact it's the first time in 180 plus shows that I've done over the last couple years where I've actually interviewed someone personally and put them on the air. It's always been me in my big mouth.
[00:50] I know that the main reason why so many people listen to this show, especially you expat wannabes up there, is because you have the realization after listening to this show and many other shows out there, especially shows like Richard Martin on PRN, that the United States and all of the first world is cracking around the edges if not crumbling right around you. And you know the longer you stay up there, the harder it is to jump off the treadmill, that is if you even have a treadmill to jump off because you might have been fired or laid off already. You know the American dream is gone or just about gone, but it exists somewhere else and that's down here in Latin America. That's why we have the expat files. That's my way of giving you a leg up on recapturing the American dream, only sorry, you're never
[01:35] going to find it up where you live. Those days are long gone. You know I always talk about expat wannabes that a lot of them will just think about ditching everything up there, they'll make some preparations and almost do it. They'll even listen to all my shows and send emails asking me for advice and stuff. They'll even come down here and visit once or twice, usually to Costa Rica and Panama and places I don't recommend. Though so many expat wannabes seem gung-ho, as for now at least, most of them never actually commit. Like my grandpa used to say, pee or get off the pot. That just means there's an awful lot of people holding it in right now, don't you think? For any of a thousand reasons. But as we get closer and closer to the big event, and I'm not talking about the Mayan prediction of the end of the world here either, I'm talking about the next huge financial
[02:23] blowout that's definitely in the cards. And if you're still up north when that happens, it's gonna be the end of the world in a lot of ways, at least for you. But if you're down here in Latin America, let me just put it this way. Can you spell soft landing? Well write that word on the blackboard about a hundred times till it starts sinking in, and you'll get the idea of what it's gonna be like down here. And as for all you preppers up there, you guys with your sacks of rice and 55 gallon drums of water, and your pallets of ammo in the basement, well that's all well and good when the grid goes down. But what are you gonna do when you're the only guy in the neighborhood who's got lights, power and a food supply? Remember the supermarkets in the states have about a three day inventory. What are you gonna do when the neighbors start throwing rocks at your front door?
[03:12] And you know what? It's not as if me and my expat friends don't know what's coming. If the grid crashes in the first world, it'll probably crash down here for a while too. And we don't have 55 gallon drums of water and sacks of rice in our basements, even if we had basements, which we don't. We know what's coming and we're not worried. Well I take that back, we're worried, but for you guys, not us. I mean we all have friends and relatives up there who are never gonna make the move down here. They're not paying attention to us, they think we're nuts. They think Obama and Ben Bernanke are gonna save them. So tell me who's really nuts? Sure, we expats know bad things are coming. Just look at the real unemployment rate over 20%, the 16 trillion in debt, the 50 trillion
[03:58] dollar derivative bomb, and the trillion dollar military budget. When you include the black ops stuff. And you know, as an aside, it always makes me laugh. When I hear some government spokesman in a press conference saying that they're gonna have to cut 50, 100, or 2,000 teachers or policemen or firemen jobs because they don't have the money and the budget. There's always a budget shortfall in the government now, isn't there? Well why don't they just close a few of the 200 military bases that we have outside the US? And how about cutting out that three billion dollar a year aid package to Israel and Egypt? Six billion total. Now if we eliminated that, it would pay for more than 120,000 public school teachers at
[04:43] 50 grand a piece. But you never hear politicians talking about things like that. They always talk, cut the teachers, cut the police, cut the firemen. Never cut the bureaucracy, cut the military. And it doesn't matter if you believe in the public school system or not. Which I don't. It's obviously a failed system. Just look at those international test scores. They're embarrassing and pathetic. And though I was a product of the public high school system myself, I went to Catholic grade school which means I have an honorary master's degree in guilt. But that's another story. Anyway, I went to public high school in the 70s when there was still accountability in the system. You actually had to learn how to read and write at more than a fourth grade level and there was no such thing as a social promotion. But be that as it may, there is a financial and economic blowout coming and it's going
[05:32] to be a doozy. And it's not just going to be regional, it's going to be international. Us expats know that. We're not stupid, that's why we're down here. But we don't have a six month food supply socked away somewhere. Not like the preppers do up in the states. We don't need to. Instead, in our backyards, we've got lemon trees, orange trees, banana trees, avocado trees, mango trees, etc, etc. If you want, you could load up your garden like that and basically have a lifetime or near lifetime supply of food. Or a pretty good start on it, that's for sure. And that kind of thing is basically self-sustaining. You barely have to lift a finger. Anyway, us expats don't. We just have a gardener come in at 10 or 12 bucks a day. Now as first world economies keep getting sucked closer and closer to the edge of that
[06:22] black hole, it's obvious that more and more expat wannabes will take the plunge. Anyway, a sinking ship only has so many life rafts and some people actually choose to go down with the boat. But obviously, some people, against all advice from friends and family back home, do decide to become expats. And the interview I have for you today is from one of those people who actually did make the move, and her and her husband did it only two months ago. In fact, they sold off everything in the States just to come down here and live permanently. And you'll hear that story in a minute. But what makes this story ever so pertinent to us is the fact that they first went down to Costa Rica for a long, long vacation a few years ago, thinking that that was going
[07:09] to be the answer for them. But after doing a lot more investigation and listening to the expat file shows, they ended up ditching everything up north and making it their new life plan to come down to Central America off the gringo tourist trail like I always recommend, and in their case, ending up in Antigua Guatemala on the first step of their journey, which is one of the places I recommend in my 17 hidden paradise report, a report that you can get for free by going to www.expatwisdom.com. So just go there if you're interested in seeing my personal picks. Anyway, this married couple that I'm interviewing today, the young lady who you'll hear first, anyway, they not only decided to come down here to become permanent expats, but they
[07:56] coordinated leaving the US to coincide with my seminar, the one that I gave with 24 people attending some two months ago. So the day this seminar was over was basically the day they started their new life as expats. And it looks to me so far that they've done all the right things. They sold most of everything up in the states, and they came down here with only seven suitcases, which they stored, like I recommended, at their new lawyer's office right away. As usual, he was glad to help out and didn't charge a thing. Like I said, off the tourist trail, most lawyers down here are real people. Most are very nice guys and not scumbags at all. Now in this interview today, we're just talking to her, but we'll get to her husband in a
[08:43] later show. So for all of you who are terribly worried or terribly nervous about making that big leap, listen up and you'll hear from someone who's just done it. And during the interview, I'll also be asking her about the expat wisdom seminar. So in that way, all you people who've been sending me emails asking me about the seminar and how it turned out, you can hear it from the horse's mouth. In fact, I'd much rather that people who attended the seminar give you the inside dope rather than me bloviating about it, because really that's the only way you're gonna get an objective opinion, right? I'm certainly not objective about it, it was my seminar. So by popular demand, in the next couple of shows, I'll be playing some interviews from people who attended the seminar, people from all walks of life. So you can find out what it was really like from their point of view, not mine.
[09:32] Oh, and just one more thing, like all good expats, this young married couple who you'll hear in a second are keeping a low profile, which we always recommend. We're not gonna use their real names, okay? So now if you pay attention, you'll find out just what it's like for a married couple to make the move from the States down to a Central American country off the tourist trail. And we'll start the interview off by asking her to tell us a little about herself and her past. I'm originally from Canada, actually, I got into real estate fairly early, was in real estate throughout the boom in South Florida, which was pre construction sales for pre construction condos and everything downtown Fort Lauderdale. You know, once the crash came, it hit pretty hard. A lot of my colleagues lost their jobs.
[10:20] So Kyle and I started our own business online, which has allowed us some freedom, as far as where we can live. So what made you look into Latin America as a possible place to relocate, retire, have a second home or start a new business? About five years ago, we went down to Costa Rica, almost on a whim actually found an advertisement for it. And we thought, hey, let's go check it out. And we spent a couple months down there. And I actually did some real estate there. We ended up going back home, we couldn't move to Latin America at the time. But we've always kind of thought about it. Within the last four or five months, all of a sudden, things kind of lined up in our lives that we were really free to live wherever we wanted, we did do a lot of research on
[11:10] other countries. I have a friend who lives in Australia, I have a friend that lives in Singapore. We thought about other countries, but everything else is a little far away. And with the language barrier with Asia, I think Spanish is a lot easier to learn. Not to mention, it's very inexpensive to fly from the United States to basically anywhere in Latin America. So those were kind of factors. Plus, we really like Latin people. The culture, they're so open and so friendly. And we really like that. Okay, so you went to Costa Rica for a few months. What was your experience there? When we went to Costa Rica originally, we spent a little bit of time in San Jose.
[11:57] And the weather was actually great there, but we didn't want to live in the city. The next three months we spent at the beach, little tiny surfer town, which was extremely hot, very buggy, lots of scorpions, moths the size of birds. I think year round going through that kind of heat is pretty harsh. You can't really do anything in the middle of the day. If you have to shop or you need to do anything, go get breakfast or whatever you do that early in the morning. And then you just kind of stay indoors. Early evening you can go back out again. But now you were talking about the Altiplano regions. We had absolutely no idea. You think of Guatemala and you just automatically think, oh, the whole country is going to be very hot. But where we are now in Antigua, the weather is perfect.
[12:44] You really couldn't get much better. It's 75 to 79 at the very most during the day. And then as soon as the sun goes down, it's very cool. Sleeping weather is beautiful. No, we don't have heat or air conditioning. So you did find out for yourself what I've been saying all along about the Altiplano region, which practically no one in the first world knows even exists. Everyone up north that I know, and I mean everyone, thinks that Latin America is nothing but sweltering heat. They think the whole region is like being on a tropical beach. If you're on vacation, the beach and the sun and the heat and you're in a bathing suit all day or retired and sipping margaritas on the beach.
[13:29] But if you're actually trying to live day to day like that, it does get pretty old. You have to get into your car because you have to run to the other side of town and you can't even sit in your car because you're soaking wet. So I assume you've traveled in other parts of the world besides Costa Rica, right? From the time I was very little, almost every year I used to travel to Germany and other parts in Europe too. I've been to Italy, I've been to Hungary, Austria, Switzerland. So quite a few places in Europe, I've been to Jamaica, and I'm originally from Canada. So what negatives or doubts did you have to overcome to make the decision to come to the seminar? Or in you and your husband's case, to move down here permanently to Guatemala immediately
[14:16] following the seminar? When we first discussed, for real, moving down to Latin America, right at the beginning we were both very, very excited. We tend to get very gung-ho when we get a new idea and we're all in. And so right away we started selling all of our things and everything, and halfway through that process I think we both started to get a little bit of cold feet like, what are we doing? Is this the right thing? And we were having constant garage sales, and a lot of the people that were coming to buy our things, we'd tell them that we were moving to Guatemala. And half the people would say how brave we were, and the other half of the people would be like, oh, you must be crazy. Are you missionaries? Why on earth would you go there?
[15:04] Hearing people call us crazy, it put a couple of doubts in our mind, and I definitely had periods of time where I was wondering if we were doing the right thing, but we just kept saying if it's not the right thing, we can always go back. It doesn't have to be permanent. If we don't like it, we can leave. When we first started talking about moving to Latin America, we were just going to go back to Costa Rica because that's where we had been. I found your show, and just everything that we heard on the show really started pointing us in other directions, and we didn't really realize that the other countries were even on the list, that it was going to be safe enough for us to go there, or developed enough. And of course, I assume you found the prices in Costa Rica extravagant.
[15:49] I found that out 21 years ago when I was there. Yeah, and we did notice that in Costa Rica too. It was especially by the beach. It was very expensive, first world pricing. You couldn't really find anything that was inexpensive there, even the restaurants. Yeah, that's what everybody seems to find when they're in Costa Rica or on the Latin tourist trail. But what about now, now that you're in Guatemala? Yeah, now in Guatemala, I mean Antigua, and even though Antigua is from what we've heard a little more expensive than other places in Guatemala, where we're still finding it very, very, very inexpensive compared to what we were coming from, definitely compared to Costa Rica. Now let's talk about what led you down here, and how you would compare the Expat Wisdom
[16:37] seminar that I put on to some of the other seminar offerings out there, like for example from International Living, or Sovereign Man, or Doug Casey. And I'd like to know if the Expat Wisdom seminar met your expectations. How much has it helped you, or not, in what you're trying to accomplish? I think when we first started listening to your show, we realized right away that you were different than a lot of the other seminars and magazines and other programs out there that were targeting Expats and people wanting to move down to Latin America. I think a lot of the seminars, magazines, websites, all of that is geared towards selling
[17:23] you something. I think a lot of them are geared towards selling you real estate. I know a few websites that were geared to trying to get people to Costa Rica, they were selling vacant lots and making a killing. So here's all these people going down, looking at renderings of these beautiful complexes and pre-construction buildings, and how wonderful this is going to be. And now this is seven years later, and there's still nothing on these vacant lots. And I think that there's a lot of people just preying on vulnerable and gullible Americans just wanting to buy into the dream, and they'll just believe anything. So I think a lot of these seminars were just playing on that. Yeah, if you noticed at my seminar, I was selling absolutely nothing.
[18:12] There wasn't a single piece of real estate that I was pushing at all. In fact, I said, don't buy, it's a mini bubble. Remember that? Oh, and speaking of the seminar, I couldn't help but notice you guys were doing a ton of networking. It was really amazing to meet other people who were so like-minded and also wanted to leave the U.S. for similar reasons as we did. Also as far as business context, down the road we decided to partner up maybe with some of these people that we've met, not to mention we've become good friends with a lot of them as well. Other good things about the seminar, I think just even leading us away from Costa Rica and Panama and really getting us to open our eyes to the possibilities of these other countries
[19:01] within Central and South America has been great. I mean, we're saving a lot more money. It's more authentic. You go to Costa Rica, it's not so much an authentic Latin experience because it's been gringoized like Disneyland. The other things that we learned on the seminar about even just doing business here and in relation to our existing business in the States, I think that we're going to be able to benefit quite a bit financially because of the information that we learned. It's definitely helped with our transition coming down here. I even know like when we went to Costa Rica, we experienced things that we never understood why things were kind of happening the way that they were.
[19:47] Between your show and the seminar, we kind of have an idea of something happens where like, oh, okay, that's why they're doing this. Just little things even to speed up our learning curve coming down here because it is a big culture shock. A while back, you were telling me about the effect of living down here just a couple of months on your stress levels. Remember what you said about that? Already in two months, we've probably taken 10 years off of our lives, added 10 years to our lives. You're saying you're already a lot less stressed than the average green gringo who's just landed down here. I almost feel like even just walking down the streets in Antigua, you can almost tell
[20:32] who just got there and who has been there a while just by their demeanor, by the way they're walking, by the way they're navigating the cobblestones. You can tell the people that have been there a while because they just look more relaxed. Well, now that you and your husband have lowered your stress levels to such degree that you've added 10 years to your life, or is it subtracted? I forget. Anyway, if someone were to ask you what the Expat Wisdom Seminar was all about, what would you tell them? Geared to giving people information on what it is really, really like living down here as opposed to just what you see in the magazines and fancy websites and everything.
[21:19] It was so informative about what to look for, what to really, really expect. In your opinion, what financial bracket was the Expat Wisdom Seminar targeted toward? I would say it was geared towards the average guy. I don't think it was geared towards backpackers, people who want to be living in hospitals and living on $5 a day. Just regular people like us. I mean, up in the states where I guess you could consider us middle class, although that's rapidly deteriorating up there and the middle class is getting squeezed so hard up there that I think that there are a lot of people like us who used to have enough money to be comfortable but things are getting so expensive up there and the way things are going, it's
[22:07] like you look at your money and you realize that, wow, I'm not going to ever be able to retire. There are a ton of people that are just like us. As long as you're working your butt off, you're doing fine except you can't ever stop. So you start looking at the rest of your life and you just realize that you're on this treadmill that you're not going to be able to get off a million dollars in the states. It's not even enough. It's not like you could have a million dollars and just retire. You can't. It's not enough money. So I think the seminar was basically geared at anyone middle class and higher who start looking at their lives like, wow, I can't keep doing this. I need a way out and I think that Latin America is that way out. So what was your general impression of our little event down here?
[22:53] I thought the seminar was fantastic. I learned an enormous amount of information in a short time. I mean, it just gave us such a head start in living down here and even if you didn't want to live here, even if you just wanted to spend a few months a year here, there's still a ton of information. We definitely did sit down in a couple situations in a classroom type of setting, but it was outdoors and there's butterflies flying around our heads and we're drinking the best coffee in the world while we're doing it. So it was very comfortable. It was laid out in a manner that was easy to understand. It wasn't boring at all. I mean, all you could do to pay attention and just keep writing things down like golden nuggets of information. I thought we were very well taken care of.
[23:40] The restaurants were all fantastic that we went to. Meeting the translator girls was pretty great too. They were all really great stories and I couldn't believe how well they spoke English. That really surprised me actually and they treated us really good. I mean, we felt very, very well taken care of in the entire seminar. What about the safety issues? People always have questions about that since the US State Department has that travel warning posted on their website. We felt extremely safe the entire time. The whole group was walking through town at night and yet we all felt very safe. So would you recommend the Expat Wisdom seminar to a friend? We actually have recommended the seminar to friends and family.
[24:27] This entire experience that we've been sharing with our friends and family has perked the interest of a lot of people and now they're drilling us with questions and they are starting to ask us when the next seminar is too because it's hard to relate everything that we learned to other people and we just keep telling them, well, you got to listen to the show and next time he has a seminar, I think it's a must. If you were just on your own coming down here, it would take a long time to learn all that on your own. Were there any other things that surprised you down here, whether it was at or during the seminar or just in your two months down here living off the standard gringo tourist trail? You mentioned on your show that gringos tend to be somewhat of low-level rock stars and
[25:15] actually experienced something the other day. There was a little parade going through town and they had these big fire trucks with all of the firemen and women standing on the truck going through and they're blazing their horns and their sirens and waving at everyone on the street and I watched them coming down the street and they were just waving at people and the Guatemalan people were waving back to them on the side of the street and they passed us and I looked over and I smiled and I gave them a big wave and all of a sudden the entire fire truck broke out in cheers and applause. They were so happy that I waved at them. It was so funny and it was such a different reaction than I saw down the street with the regular people waving at them. It was pretty funny. Yep, the gringo advantage rides again.
[26:05] Now you know what I'm talking about. So now, why don't you give me a little general impression of what it's been like for you down here in the last two months? Are you finding it easy to blend in or not? Do you still think you made the right decision? I think any doubts that we had before we moved here have completely gone away. We had a lot of fears about safety and we had fears about is it really going to be as inexpensive as Johnny says and are we really going to be able to find business ideas? Now that we've been here a couple of months, we're starting to learn a lot more and I think there are a ton of business opportunities here. Any fear that we had is gone. So there you have it folks, a real live story from some brand new expats who've settled
[26:52] in a place where the US State Department, Uncle Sam and Big Brother recommend you stay away from. Looks like according to all those brilliant government folks, we must be nuts. Well guess what? I'll take nuts any day over living in Cleveland, that's for sure. Now before I close out the program for today, I'd like to mention once again that I've been asked by many listeners to do another Expat Wisdom Seminar like the one I did in Central America a few months ago. Well I'm thinking of December and early January for another one. So if you're interested, please send me an email at theexpatfiles at gmail.com and I'll send you all the details, okay? You've been listening to The Expat Files, living in Latin America.
[27:42] Coming to you each week from somewhere south of the border. And don't forget you can email me on anything at all about Latin America, theexpatfiles at gmail.com. Once again, theexpatfiles at gmail.com. See you next time, nos vemos!