Episode Summary
In this episode of The Expat Files, Johnny Mueller dives into several key topics affecting expats and professionals in Latin America. He begins by announcing an upcoming expat wisdom seminar in January, highlighting its details, payment options, and the potential for expats to leverage their expertise in the region. He notes the continued use of audio cassettes and VHS players in Latin America, suggesting that seminars can be adapted to this local context. Johnny encourages expats with expertise in areas like real estate, marketing, or self-defense to consider conducting seminars in Latin America, emphasizing the unique market for such events.
Next, Johnny discusses the social dynamics and economic realities of Latin Americans who receive first-world education and return to their home countries. He highlights the class divide, the privilege these individuals enjoy, and the challenges they face when trying to integrate into the first world. He also addresses the financial expectations of expats and the cultural differences in how money and status are perceived. Johnny notes that a small percentage of Latin Americans who attend first-world universities and return to their home countries are often wealthy, but they carry class baggage and look down on others.
Johnny then explores the challenges Latin Americans face in competing with first-world professionals, particularly in management roles. He argues that many Latin professionals lack exposure to first-world standards and education, which hinders their ability to match the skills and knowledge of their first-world counterparts. He also touches on the educational system in Latin countries, noting that while there are a few top-tier private universities that offer high-quality education comparable to first-world institutions, these are expensive and accessible only to the wealthy. Johnny acknowledges that these universities produce high-achieving graduates who have been exposed to first-world education and sensibilities, but also notes that they may inherit classist attitudes from their affluent backgrounds.
In the next segment, Johnny discusses the availability of private schools in Latin America, particularly in Cartagena, Colombia, and the demand for English teachers. He emphasizes the importance of targeting top-tier schools for better pay and living conditions. He also contrasts the expectations of first-world professionals with those of Latin professionals, noting that while some Latin professionals may have first-world standards, they often lack the same level of expertise or education. Johnny highlights the presence of skilled IT professionals in Latin America who are self-driven and can be valuable for starting businesses. He also touches on the appeal of first-world business seminars in Latin America, even if the content is outdated, due to the region's lag in adopting modern business practices.
Finally, Johnny discusses the expansion of Kaplan University into Latin America, highlighting its history of legal issues in the United States, including class-action lawsuits and federal false claims lawsuits for fraud involving over $4 billion. He notes that in Latin America, legal action against such institutions is rare, and people are less likely to investigate such issues before investing. Johnny also references his previous report on first-world healthcare in Latin America, emphasizing the presence of Latin American doctors trained in first-world hospitals and the challenges they face in practicing in the U.S. He then introduces a seminar targeting these doctors, offering guidance on obtaining residency in the U.S. and Canada, which is being held in major Latin American cities.
Topics
Expat wisdom seminar announcement, Opportunities for expats to conduct seminars in Latin America, Adapting seminars to local contexts (Spanish, audio cassettes, etc.), Market potential for expat seminars in Latin America, Class and privilege in Latin America, Economic realities for expats, Cultural differences in perception of money and status, Education and social mobility, Integration challenges for expats, Education in Latin America, Comparison of Latin and first-world professionals, Cultural and educational exposure
Chapters
00:00:00 Opening 00:00:16 Introduction to The Expat Files and the Show's Purpose 00:00:44 Announcement of Upcoming Expat Wisdom Seminar 00:01:45 Opportunities for Expats to Conduct Seminars in Latin America 00:04:00 Local Market Trends and the Continued Use of Audio Cassettes 00:05:51 Relapse into Old Habits 00:05:54 A Costco Executive's Story 00:06:01 The Exception to the Rule 00:06:07 Rich Kids with Class Baggage 00:06:14 Class Baggage and Social Divisions 00:06:18 Looking Down on Others 00:06:21 Social Isolation and Class Divisions 00:06:26 Mingling with the Elite 00:11:43 Lack of First-World Exposure in Latin Education 00:12:13 Dominance of Spanish Authors in Required Reading 00:14:23 Latin Professionals in Medicine and Dentistry 00:14:59 Top-Tier Private Universities in Latin America 00:17:13 Private Schools in Latin America 00:17:44 Top-Tier Schools and Pay 00:18:20 Latin Professionals and First-World Expectations 00:20:32 IT Professionals in Latin America 00:21:55 First-World Business Seminars in Latin America 00:22:36 Kaplan University's Legal Issues in the U.S. and Latin America 00:23:12 Kaplan's Expansion into Latin America and the Risk of Fraud 00:24:03 Johnny's Report on First-World Healthcare in Latin America 00:26:20 Seminar Targeting Latin American Doctors for U.S. Residency
Transcript
Automatically transcribed from the original recording; names and wording may contain errors.
[00:00] South of the border down Mexico way That's where I fell in love when the stars above came up to play and now as I wonder Hello there all you expat wannabes I'm Johnny Mueller and you're listening to the expat files living in Latin America the show that tells you just what it's like to live Work play and or retire down here in Latin America It's a mix of the good the bad the ugly and the great and it's all right here. So let's get started Now before I get to finishing that story about my buddy Julio the guy that guards corrupt presidents and good-for-nothing asswipe visiting diplomats from the UN and first world countries like yours before getting into that I've got a few announcements and some late breaking news about Mexico, which is very pertinent to what I discussed on last week's show
[00:51] Anyway first I'm glad to tell you that finally I got the link to all the details on my expat wisdom seminar That's coming up in January. So that means if you go to expat wisdom comm you'll see right on top of the main page It says Latin American seminar you click on that and you'll have all the details Including a nice breakdown of all the speakers the boots on the ground places We're gonna visit the itinerary and some comments from people who attended the last few seminars So if you notice this time you'll be able to pay it in three installments instead of all in one chunk If that makes it easier for you So have a look at that if you're interested in coming and remember in this January seminar I'll only accommodate 25 people So go to expat wisdom comm and have a look at the details and by the way as of when I'm recording this broadcast
[01:37] It's only been up for about a day and already some people have signed up So get off the fence and check it out now hitting on another subject for a second I'm sure all you view longtime listeners have heard me say that Latin America is ripe if not Overripe for first world people with specific knowledge to come down and give seminars now I'm not talking about seminars like the one I give I'm talking about you guys up in the states Who've already had some success up there giving seminars in your particular specialty? I know that some of you are into real estate marketing advertising self-help self-defense and many different kinds of investment Strategies that you could easily adapt to a seminar circuit down here If you could translate your particular thing into Spanish or even give your seminar in English and have a translator on hand Doing the Spanish thing in real time though
[02:24] Of course your advertising and your marketing and your handouts and your slides and your PowerPoint will all have to be in Spanish And that's no problem since down here. You could get a very capable bilingual IT person for about four to five hundred bucks a month Yep, I said a month not a week a month Now I also know that some of you listeners are on the seminar circuit up north or have been in the past So for some of you this might be a way to breathe new life into an old dead stale idea That is old dead and stale up north but down here because of that lag time factor Local Latin businessmen have not been exposed to a lot of that stuff Now you've heard me mention that occasionally I see in the big city newspapers Some first world gringo is on the seminar circuit here doing things in Spanish
[03:11] Of course often repeating first world seminars that were successful up there in the 80s and 90s Some of these astute gringos have figured out how to dust off their old cassettes. Yep I'm talking audio cassettes now if you can believe that who in the first world has one of those or even a VHS player Well get this down here. I'd say 99% of Latin home still have an audio cassette player within Easy-reach usually on the shelf in the living room next to the VHS player Not that they use them all that much, but they're still hanging around and get this down here There's a huge aftermarket for car stereos with CD players There are big full-page ads in Latin papers for that stuff all the time. I'm sure you don't see that up in the States Well, that's because an average car down here is at least 10 years old
[04:00] In fact, there's a ton of cars that are 20 or even 25 years old that are still on the road Back then when they were new those cars came with cassette players not with CD players or iPod connections They simply didn't exist yet or only available in very high-end models like Mercedes BMW and Lexus So because there are so many of these 10 20 even 25 year old cars on the road when people sell these back and forth to each other sometimes the new owner will pull out the cassette and Splurge on a new stereo unit with a CD player and a USB and iPod connection tube That's all standard stuff these days Anyway, surprisingly enough. I do see the occasional gringo doing a seminar down here I see the ads in the paper and it's obvious that some of these guys have dusted off their old audio cassettes and handouts and
[04:50] Repackage them in Spanish. I tell you especially when you're off the tourist trail when that gringo advantage kicks in It seems like anything goes what I mean Is it almost doesn't matter at all what you're selling or what kind of seminar you're putting on? If it was a success up in the States Latins will almost automatically climb on board and when you've got some kind of first world Credentials and track record to show you almost can't miss now I know this is gonna be a very un-pc thing to say but why sugarcoat things, right? All you have to do is talk to any first world person who's been down here for a while doing business and he'll tell you that his Latin counterparts down here in the same firm or business as Well as the competition are almost never as astute have the curiosity or the breadth of knowledge that they have
[05:37] That's why it's called the third world, right? And that's why big transnational companies are always bringing first world people down to train their Latin workers And why when they're done with the training period the Latin people that they train so well almost always Relapse into their old bad habits again In fact a Costco executive from the states who was down here training Latin managers told me that very same story now He did add the exception to the rule is that tiny percentage of Latins who happened to have gone to? University up in the first world and came back down to work in their home countries generally these kids are rich kids But because of that they carry a lot of classes baggage around with them, too They always look down on the other workers who are short Darker skinned Latins people from the lower classes who they never think of mingling with outside of work
[06:26] The fact is they only like to mingle socially with people like them who were born with a silver iPod And of course, they like to mingle with a gringos, too It's obvious that's what they aspire to be like us first world gringos Why else would mommy and daddy send them to a terribly expensive first world university? Remember these guys are paying out of state tuition which could be 40 or 50 grand a year now You might wonder why these kids want to work in management or administration at Sears or Costco in their own Latin country Why don't they just stay up in the states? Well, it's because they're treated like little kings and queens down here in their own land You know maids bodyguards and the kind of notoriety class distinction and privilege that they never get up in the first world up there
[07:11] No one would care and no one would notice Fact is in Boston or New York a kid like that fresh out of college would start out in a junior middle management position somewhere Making less money than it would cost to hire a first world bodyguard and that wouldn't do at all for a kid That's used to his own maids cleaning ladies gardeners and bodyguards up in the states He'd be just like everyone else with a college degree and maybe even a bit ostracized Unlike in his hometown, he'd get no preferential treatment In fact because of his accent and where he comes from he might be the victim of a little bit of first world Prejudice himself and I admit it's a little karmic justice to see the tables turned like that these Latin rich folks They can dish it out, but they can't take it Like I said up in the first world he'd be nothing special and he knows it
[07:58] That's why almost all kids of wealthy Latin parents who do go to university up in the states They end up coming back down either to work in daddies or the family business And if that's not big enough or it doesn't work out they end up in a first world transnational like Walmart Costco Sears Shell oil Burroughs welcome name any transnational. They're all down here recruiting for management positions And sure these transnationals would love to have gringos working in management positions at their foreign Latin branches But before you get any big ideas about getting employment down here at one of those places Just remember this all you expat wanna bees and gonna bees you won't get hired unless you're completely Bilingual and you're not gonna get the equivalent first world salary down here either
[08:44] So for example if you're looking at an accounting job at a price Waterhouse branch down here in Latin America, and you are a CPA and you are bilingual You're still gonna get hired in at only about twenty five thousand bucks a year now in Latin America That's really big money And you'll live like a king for sure But it's still a third to a quarter of the salary that you'd get for a job like that up in the states starting salary that is and for a lot of expats with professional degrees from the first world that kind of cut and pay is a huge hump to get over a Psychological hump that is I mean just imagine coming all the way down to Latin America to live the good life Then having to report to the folks back home in Boise the good news and the bad news the good news being You did get that CPA job. All right, but the bad news is that gulp
[09:33] You'll swallow your pride when you say this mom don't think I'm selling myself short here But I'm only getting 25k to start now you know with that kind of dough You'll live like a king But to her that'll put you with the welfare and ghetto crowd Which means your mom like most moms is gonna be worried about you as if she wasn't already you taking off for a god-forsaken Place like Latin America. So my advice is unless you want the folks back home to question your mental state Which they probably already have don't tell them how much you make once you get down here and you know being Americans They're gonna ask you that money always comes up in conversation with us, right? Well, I'm just saying lie if you have to I mean Let's face it women lie about their age and their weight and us guys
[10:20] We lie to each other about what we make our golf scores the size of our private parts and how well last night's date Turned out with us fibbing is a locker room tradition now I mentioned that your friends and family up in the first world will be a bit shocked when they hear that you're making the Kind of money that would be poverty wages to them up there And it seems that no matter how much you try to explain to the folks back home that the cost of living is so inexpensive Here that it more than compensates for lower salaries Still the folks up in Cleveland are focusing on the bottom line what you actually make That's why they question your mental stability basically because they're not down here to see it for themselves They just don't get it now the other day I was having a conversation about that with an expat friend of mine named Tom who first came down to one of my expat wisdom
[11:06] Seminars and now he's been living here for about three quarters of a year He came right out and said he lives a perfectly fine first world style life for between a thousand and fifteen hundred bucks a month In other words, he's got money left over after cashing his Social Security check now I wonder if anyone up north can claim that but I digress as usual. Sorry about that anyway I was talking about latins down here in management positions and how only a Very very small percentage of them can stack up to first world management types in similar jobs up in the states for one thing No matter what kind of family they came from latins Just weren't born with 24 7 exposure to all things first world like we were Even if they have an advanced degree from a Latin University
[11:52] They have a very narrow and incomplete education and I know right now some of you are saying how can you say that Johnny? Are you saying they're inferior? You're sounding pretty classist yourself now No, I'm saying they're not exposed to certain things and that their education is inferior All you have to do is look at the list of the classic books that latins have to read in their college and high school Years and you'll see that 90% or more of all the books that are required reading are by Spanish authors Now I ask all you listeners up there who went to university of the 100 top rated authors in all of history How many of them do you think are Spanish and for that matter? How many Spanish books fiction or nonfiction are in the top 100? Well, how about one Don Quixote? so what I'm saying is basically Latins no matter how well educated have virtually no exposure to the world's great books unless they have enough
[12:44] Initiative themselves to expand their own horizons and in my entire 20 something years down here I think I've only met two or three Latins who actually read English authors and English Bestsellers or English literature on their own for pleasure and I've only met maybe a dozen Latin's who actually read books for a hobby And only two or three of that group as I mentioned before read books in English now I know what you're thinking I really shouldn't be so hard on Latin since most of us don't know very many people up north who read books anymore either in Fact right now I can't think of anybody under 30 who've actually read a book lately if it wasn't assigned as college homework So the question is are we getting smarter or dumber? That question applies to both latins and first-worlders and lately you hear about Kindle and Amazon and electronic books
[13:33] And how they're taking off in a big way up in the states so much so that it's predicted They're gonna wipe out traditional books and bookstores in the next five or ten years. Well, okay Maybe they are in the states, but down here I've never seen anyone who wasn't an expat or a gringo tourist carrying around one of those little Electronic pocket readers and yes, I've seen them for sale in upscale malls and in Apple stores and iPhone shops But believe me you just never see anyone using them So there is a question. I'm asked on the sly occasionally by expats who first come down here They're wondering if there aren't any homegrown Latin professionals that can hold their own against first-world people that come down with a similar degree Or similar expertise well I always tell them for one when you go to an MD down here or a dentist check their diplomas because in some places up to
[14:23] Half of the specialists have taken their specialty up in the first world, so you're totally covered there They're just as good if not better than some of the guys up in the states But as far as many of the other disciplines like chemistry engineering Acronomy biology, etc They're almost never on par with their first world counterparts though There are exceptions to that rule for example every Latin country has one or two private Universities that are first world in every respect then there's another 25 or so universities in each country That are pretty much on par with a first world high school If you know what I mean, and you'd never want to send your kids there But like I said there are one or two that are top-notch and you'll find these little private university gems in almost every Latin country Except the very sparsely populated ones like police Suriname, Guyana and of course Cuba not that Cuba's sparsely populated
[15:17] It's not but Cuba well There's no freedom of expression there So you can rule that one out and since these top universities are considered very expensive in Latin terms About five to six thousand dollars a year. You got that five or six thousand dollars a year Now I'm quite serious when I say that these places do compare to first world schools that run about forty thousand a year They're not only totally bilingual if you didn't know you were smack dab in South or Central America You'd think you were at Texas A&M or Michigan State However, these one or two small private top-notch universities are the most expensive therefore very exclusive and have very small Enrollments and why can these few universities turn out graduating classes of very high achievers Kids who are pretty much on par with some of the best US universities
[16:05] Well, that's because they're pushed like high achieving first world kids are pushed Most of the staff of professors has trained in the United States and others are first world professors from prestigious US Universities that are rotating through as visiting professors on one and two year contracts Now being that these universities are the most expensive in Latin America Only wealthy Latin kids and first world kids have the money to attend That means the graduating classes are very small compared to what we're used to up in the first world only a few hundred kids at most And in fact, I know some of the graduates coming from these schools and they're top-notch Of course, they've had all the advantages since birth of having bilingual preschool bilingual primary and secondary in high school
[16:50] These kids have been exposed to first world teachers all their lives So as you can imagine a lot of positive first world sensibilities have rubbed off on these kids by association Of course being that they're rich kids. They've picked up all the bad first world sensibilities, too So you've got kind of a mixed bag there of talent and classism and of course the classism they picked up from their parents And by the way There are dozens and dozens of private high schools and grade schools in every medium and large city in Latin America Matter of fact at last count the city of Cartagena, Columbia has over 500 such private schools Registered and every one of those is looking for real gringo English teachers So you expect wannabes and gunnabes if you're coming down here to do that snag an English teaching job right away Make sure you do a little looking around first to find out which schools are considered in the top 10%
[17:40] Which always seem to be the ones that charge the most tuition? So figuring that out is easy and those are the teaching jobs that you want to go for if you want to teach down here Since the very high level ones like that pay the most in fact a gringo friend of mine It's been teaching at one such school for about 12 years now, and he's at the very top of the pay grade He makes about twelve hundred bucks a month poverty wages up in the first world But down here he's living like a first worlder And he's off the gringo tourist trail of course since in gringo iced places like Costa Rica You could never live a first world life on 1200 a month So anyway getting back to my original point though. It is rare You can find Latin professionals like architects engineers and CPAs for example that are on par with first world professionals in the same career
[18:29] But most of these guys will have gone to first world universities Or will have attended one of those exclusive top-notch schools down here But if you're looking to a higher a Latin professional and have first world expectations don't hold your breath Most of the time in the beginning at least you're gonna need some patience Then it's you who's gonna have to knock some first world sensibilities into them I know you've got to take my word for that, but believe me I've sat down with loads of these so-called professional guys and gals I'm talking about Latin University graduates a lot of them with advanced degrees and successful businesses, too In fact I've been invited to sit in with the best of them and when I'm done I always say at least to myself all right, so that's all you got upstairs Now at first glance I might sound like a pompous jerk for saying this but in a past life
[19:17] I was kind of a successful engineer And I know after casually talking to an engineer for about 10 minutes And I mean talking to pretty much any kind of engineer I can tell if the guys got it or not and if I had a project of some sort whether I want to hire him or not And believe me one of the reasons I quit engineering is because over the years I ran into a lot of engineers who were plenty smarter than I was but I never had that experience with a Latin engineer But I have to qualify this by saying I've met quite a few Latin computer experts and guys in the IT business information technology Who in their chosen career were first world all the way because you know every culture has its nerds and nerds? First world Latin or otherwise are truly dedicated to their chosen
[20:03] Technology and they don't learn that at school, and they don't learn that from books I've been around engineers half my life And I know for a fact that being an engineering or IT nerd is like being gay you're born that way Period and there's nothing you can do about it and as for me I wasn't enough of a nerd to be a real kick-ass engineer But I can certainly recognize a great IT nerd when I see one So if you come down here looking to start an internet or IT business, and that's what you're looking for There's plenty of IT nerds to choose from down here, and you won't have to motivate them because they're self starters now Let's talk about Latin owned businesses again, and not specifically IT or engineering businesses Naturally all Latin businesses that are in a growth mode would like to know every first world trick
[20:51] They can about business the fact is Latin businessmen will embrace anything that comes from a so-called first world business guru That's why seminars translated to Spanish and put on by first world guys Do so well even if the speaker's been a has-been for 20 years up in the States and his ideas stale and useless in today's world Again, it's part of our unfair gringo advantage that Latins are gullible that way How would Latin businessmen who've never really seen this stuff before know they were being shown stale old tricks anyway So in a way no one's really pulling the wool over their eyes And maybe some of those guys will get some value out of it who knows down here Businesses are at least a dozen or so years behind first world trends, so a tired old options Commodities timeshare or real estate flipping seminar or whatever could easily get resurrected from the dead once
[21:42] It's been translated into Spanish and promoted as the next big thing down here Now I'm not advocating you do that because a lot of seminars even those that were very successful a long time ago up in the States were just pure horse crap But they made people rich right and the reason why I'm bringing all this up in the first place is because guess what? I've spotted a brand new twist on this first world seminar thing that I've never seen before But now that I think of it I guess it had to come so listen to this the other day I was bruising through some of the bigger Latin American newspapers And I happen to notice this ad for an upcoming seminar given by a well-known group that puts on seminars up in the first world Called Kaplan you've heard of them probably right now They might sue me when I mentioned what this is all about and you'll see why and I say come and get me
[22:29] I'm in Latin America And if you sue me, I'll see you in court when we get on the docket in about 40 years now I just looked this up and Kaplan University has been the subject of wide-ranging Class-action lawsuits up in the States and by the way class-action lawsuits down here Just don't exist not yet. Anyway now get this in fact in 2008 three former academic officers at Kaplan University filed wide-ranging federal false claims lawsuits accusing the university of defrauding the US government for more than $4,000,000,000 with a B. It's part of that massive student loan fraud business where unqualified students are enrolled where their grades are inflated Documents are falsified and fraudulent student loan applications are filed etc. Etc. So guess what?
[23:20] Kaplan has come down to Latin America where practically no one ever gets sued and if they do they almost never make it to court And do you think that Latin Americans would look this stuff up on the internet before handing over their money to these guys? No, Latin Americans don't investigate things not at all like first world people sometimes do and look how they got duped to the tune of 4 billion maybe Now these Kaplan guys have a terrific idea and they're gonna make a ton of money down here Of course the people are never gonna get their money's worth, but that's why they're down here in Latin America Virgin marketing territory, right? But first let me give me a little background now Of course all of you who listen to my show recall that just in the last month or so I put together a 100 page PDF report called an expats guide to first world health care in Latin America
[24:10] Subtitled how to get 21st century health care for 80 to 90 percent less than what you're paying in the states So the title says at all and if you still haven't gotten that report and it's free for the time being Just go to expat wisdom calm and on the right side of the main page You just put your email in there and you'll get a link and if for some reason that doesn't work just send me an email at the expat files at gmail.com or Johnny at expat wisdom calm anyway If you read that report You'll notice I wrote quite a bit about the fact that up to a quarter of Latin American doctors specialists That is cardiologists endocrinologists nephrologists and specialties Received their specialty training in a first world hospital and I also put the question to you in my report
[24:57] Well, then why in the hell didn't they stay up there? Because obviously when you've been trained up in the first world You've got your visa and your first world medical license because you're practicing at a teaching hospital Which is what you do when you get your residency Anyway, the question is why don't they all just stay up there? I mean after all they can make about ten times the money if they stay in the states and all that goes with it The country club membership the Ferrari or maybe a couple of all those The Rolexes the European vacations all the perks of being a doctor up in the states the thing is like I explained in my report doctors who come to the states to get their specialties are Not allowed to practice after they graduate their visa Automatically expires and they have to get the hell out of the country In other words go back down to Salvador or Peru or wherever they came from and practice their specialty there now
[25:46] Admittedly a few of them are allowed to stay behind in the states, but only under very special Circumstances for example if they marry an American citizen Anyway, I won't go into that right now But to say that obviously every single Latin American doctor would love to practice up in the first world Permanently, but alas they just can't which brings me to this seminar Add that I just now have seen popping up in the big-city newspapers in Latin America now as Doma pie would say surprise surprise guess what this seminar is Specifically targeted to all Latin American doctors who want to practice up in the first world and guess what? They all do and it's exceedingly difficult if not impossible to practice up there unless like I said
[26:33] You got some kind of major one-of-a-kind Super-skill which just doesn't happen by the way or like I said you marry an American citizen Which is possible, but very very unlikely as you can imagine Anyway, this Kaplan seminar group has figured out how to make some big money off of all these Latin doctors That would just love to practice up in the states in fact get this the title of this seminar is how to get your medical Residency in the United States and Canada and it's being held in a lot of big Latin American cities over a million in population and always in a big first world hotel like a Hilton or a princess or a Radisson you get the idea and you know these Kaplan guys are smart for busy doctors They're offering it online, too They realize that all the doctors down here would love to practice in the states and get that Ferrari
[27:23] Open I realize I'm at the end of the show right now So I'll be continuing on this revolting development on the next show so stay tuned for that South of the border Down Mexico way you've been listening to the expat files living in Latin America coming to you twice a week from somewhere south of the border Email me the expat files at gmail.com And don't forget to check out expat wisdom calm to sign up for your free reports on Latin America See you next time. No spamos